Mindful Chat with Denise Olsen -Integrative Mama , Nurse, Strong & Soulful Energy Healer , Family 9/11 Survivor

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Damaris Grossmann: 0:51

We're about to record. Okay. Hi, how are you? This is Dr. Damaris G. And this is mindfully integrative podcast. Thank you guys for joining in on this mindful chat with Denise Caputo Olson. She's an amazing woman, energy healer, nurse, and a wonderful friend. And I just can't wait for you guys to listen and watch her. She has a lot to share. So thanks for joining in on the show today.

Denise Olsen: 1:17

Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. Of course.

Damaris Grossmann: 1:21

Oh my gosh, Denise, I'm so glad to chat with you. Just before and you know, I haven't talked to you in a little bit, and I missed you dearly. And I can't wait for others to know more about you. So what's a general Fun fact that people may not know about you?

Denise Olsen: 1:34

A general Fun fact that just something but it this is a funny one? Um, I mean, it's, I, everyone thinks I'm so extroverted. But the truth is that I am. I'm, I'm super introverted. I always I laugh, my kids are like, That's not true. You talk to everybody. And I, I, I like the interaction. But when I'm around people for any period of time, I have to go home and recharge, like, I have to have my alone time. I need to be able to reset my energy and, you know, just balance everything out

Damaris Grossmann: 2:18

and reconnect and kind of like bring yourself back in the bubble. My, my little one right now is we're calling him the empath now because he's, he needs to play for a little bit, and then he needs to go serve, go back in his little, little corner and recharge. I think that's important, though. I mean,

Denise Olsen: 2:35

as a mom, being able to identify that and give your kids the space to do that, because a lot of times, you don't you don't notice that in your kids.

Damaris Grossmann: 2:45

Oh, for throw in your mom of three. So you must have had your share of trying to balance that energy with them alone. I mean, you're an energy healer. But how was that as a mom, I mean, I, I call you integrative mom, but

Denise Olsen: 2:59

was that? Well, this journey, so when they were babies, I didn't, I wasn't as educated about different things different, right? The different options. My husband ironically, or not just intuitively knew about all of these things before they were popular. So I mean, my oldest is 20 years old, and Tory is 23. And we were getting organic vegetables and fruit shipped to our house at that time. Really, we didn't have two nickels to rub together. But it was so important to him. And the other part was, um, dairy. Not giving my my babies dairy at all, even when they were able to have milk. Especially Tory, he was crazy with the whole he was like, there's so many hormones in the milk. And so, um, as far as those things were, yeah, yeah, I

Damaris Grossmann: 4:02

feel I started off that. And I like a beginning. Like he kind of was intuitively figured that out. And I know that you know, that story. You know, if you want to share it, you can if you don't want to share it, I understand that he already knew he was kind of already watching out for them. Right? It always is watching out for them.

Denise Olsen: 4:18

Yes, yes. And so that started me along that thinking because I honestly grew up with a lot of processed food there was, you know, my mother, my mother didn't enjoy cooking, she worked. So if she did cook, it was something like literally just thrown together, you know, canned vegetable oil, all sorts of things that now they didn't know. I mean, it became it was a matter of convenience. 50 years ago, they didn't know that the the lack of nutritional value, or even the damage that it that it could be doing. So as a mom, I mean, you know, I cooked more than her, but I didn't know all these other things. On the energetic side of things. I have always been very intuitive. And with the kids, it's, it's important for me to allow my kids to grow into who they're meant to be rather than saying you have to, I mean, certain things they have to do, right.

Damaris Grossmann: 5:26

Yeah. But but generally trying to be our boundaries,

Denise Olsen: 5:30

but respecting who they were and what they you know, what, what their what their needs were. It wasn't always good at it. But um, it was a little different from the traditional way of raising children. But

Damaris Grossmann: 5:44

you're, you're, you know, you're a single mom, you know, dealing with taking care of three kids like that's that's hard. You Do they mean then you did the best you could and, and you're a nurse also. So you had the intuitive nature, and then to build up, you know, an energetic field, also in protective field for them. And, you know, that could only be, you know, you do the best you can, you know, and anywhere you're motherly and loving and also having to be responsible.

Denise Olsen: 6:11

I know, I know, I know, it's funny, when you're going through something like that. I mean, you can share out I guess I'll share, I lost my husband when my children were very young, he was a fireman that died on 911. And the kids were eight, three and 18 months old.

Damaris Grossmann: 6:31

So

Denise Olsen: 6:32

I'm looking at my at my grandson right now and my daughter in law. And my son, I'm like, it's so much work. It is so much work. Haha. Did I do that by myself? I don't know how I did when you're, when you're in it. You do? What you have to do, right? Like you don't I didn't know. Any. I mean, I guess I knew. I knew what it was like to have my husband there. And it was definitely way harder. But there aren't any other options. So you sort of just do what you have to do?

Damaris Grossmann: 7:03

No, I mean, you did what you had to do. You grieved when you had to grieve you had to live through, but you not only, like saw another side of it, like you've got to be you know, take care of your family. But then you also not only chose to be a nurse, but you were you a nurse all throughout your 20s the last 20 years or so, or did you know I didn't win. Um,

Denise Olsen: 7:25

after after Jeff passed away, I didn't go back to work. You know, I

Damaris Grossmann: 7:29

was nervous. I was

Denise Olsen: 7:30

actually, you know, I was supposed to be at work the day that on September 11. And he called I was doing I was working per exam. But in the hospital, I had always worked. And so it was just a matter of being able I worked full time but created my own schedule. Yeah. Um, he called and said that he had your he was staying for someone, he was working for someone in the firehouse because they had jury duty. So he was like, Whoa, you can stay home, you don't have to go to the hospital. So after that, I decided to stay home with the kids. My daughter especially only knew he went to work and didn't come home. So the thought of me leaving for work was really frightening for her.

Damaris Grossmann: 8:14

Um,

Denise Olsen: 8:15

so I stayed home for a while. And then that was how I got into the yoga it was, you know, it's just the way things

Damaris Grossmann: 8:24

developed and changed and how and how you and probably how you process but then now you're like, I mean, not just being a nurse, but like, now you've taken it to an element of healing yourself. But then you've kind of helped heal other people. And now you're doing it in this energetic way. kind of talk to us a little bit about how that is for you and how, like, what, where you're growing with that, or what how did you start with that? This story is,

Denise Olsen: 8:52

I mean, it's so I could get so long winded but but the bottom line

Damaris Grossmann: 8:57

is however much you'd like to talk.

Denise Olsen: 9:00

The the bottom line with my journey is that it came out of necessity. It wasn't, oh, I want to study yoga, or I I almost was forced, I guess by the universe into all of these these different places. And they were in hindsight, it's so easy to look back and connect the dots and see how perfectly things align. As you're going through it, it feels really messy and painful. And almost like why why me or I'm confusing. But I started out working, I was just trying to heal my own grief. So I would go to talk therapy, I would go to, I would work out everybody's like, well, you got to move your body you have to talk to set well, so I tried all of those things. I would go to church, I would go to the gym, I would go to my therapist. And there was it felt like there was always something out of balance. My body might feel good, but my mind wasn't right. I was struggling with the whole Catholic religion and the way that they addressed grief and all of that. And just at the point where I was like, what, like, how am I ever supposed to make this better? I had been working out like a crazy person and I needed to stretch. So I saw Oh, there's a yoga studio. I never done yoga in my life. stepped into the CTO laying on the mat just tears. And I'm like Jesus thank God it was Oh, it was a hot yoga studio.

Damaris Grossmann: 10:48

Oh thank god is hot yoga, right? Oh my gosh. Oh

Denise Olsen: 10:50

my god. hot yoga. So I'm like in sweat pants. These people are half naked. And they're twisting themselves into pretzels. Like, I can't even touch my toes. I was it was it was mind blowing. So I lay on the floor, I'm laying in Shavasana tears are coming in. I'm like, thank God, I'm so sweaty, nobody knows I'm crying. But when I left, I felt so white. And I was thinking to myself, wow, I even felt like this for no reason. In years at this point, it was about two years after my husband died. And I'm like, couldn't have been that yoga. Or maybe it's just time, right? Everyone's Time heals everything. So I wasn't going every day. But whenever I went, I had that feeling. So then I stopped doing everything else and just wanted to do yoga all the time. And of course, once you start practicing yoga, so intensely, you your diet changes, you pay more attention to energy, you're surrounded by people that have a different perspective on life.

Damaris Grossmann: 12:05

So

Denise Olsen: 12:07

your awareness expands. And from there, I decided, oh, this is like the key to happiness. So I went and got my, my teaching certification. And one thing led to another, you know, I started working with the military. And that was a whole battle. That's

Damaris Grossmann: 12:30

how we found each other You were you taught me a class, I'm a veteran and, and I found yoga in the darkest times. And I think when they told me about yoga, and I was like, my trauma stuff, they were like, Oh, it's movement therapy. Try it. And I'm like, What the hell is this crap? You know what I mean? And so I mean, as passionate as I am my grief, and another wet realm, both because of 911 mind, in your mind way, yours in your way, brought us yoga, but I feel like it brought us an awareness and a way of coping with things that the traditional side couldn't always do. I'm not saying like we're saying, this is an integrative podcast, right? So it's a little bit of both. And, you know, you taught me one of my classes, I remember I went to one of the and that's how we read each other.

Denise Olsen: 13:16

I know, I know, I know, it's been the whole journey, the whole grief journey has brought the most amazing people into my life, and completely different from I mean, I grew up on Staten Island, and, and I,

Damaris Grossmann: 13:34

I

Denise Olsen: 13:35

not, you know, at the time, I I, I love the neighborhoods, I love that feeling of community, but there is a really, especially now like a really heavy energy there. There's that that that awakening into the idea that the way that you were raised and the things that you knew to be true, the only things you knew to be true, aren't all that's out there.

Damaris Grossmann: 14:08

Right? There's something beyond like, your consciousness has to go beyond what is right here, even though they're in the present at that moment, you just have an expanded, you know, your thoughts haven't gone or people may think this is all they have. And they're like, oh, and it's just their neighborhood, but they're not willing to think beyond just that little box.

Denise Olsen: 14:26

And that that extends into every area of your life. I mean, growing up as far as Integrative Health growing up, I have had eczema, like we were talking about, but I also had asthma and would always get on strep throat. And so I was constantly on antibiotics on steroids, like whether they were orally inhaled or miasma, right? And not knowing at all any of the long term adverse effects

Damaris Grossmann: 15:05

of immune compromising and just like bone that bone health, like just a lot of different aspects, the benefits worth versus the risks right.

Denise Olsen: 15:14

Well, and and also not knowing ways to support my immune system, like it was just like, Oh, you don't feel good. All right, let's go to the doctor and get an antibiotic or Oh, we

Damaris Grossmann: 15:23

have an antibiotic in the air. We have an extra one. That'll work.

Denise Olsen: 15:28

Exactly. It wasn't like oh, Denise, make sure you get outside and get some vitamin D or or don't eat it. I didn't know you know where you're talking about the dairy. I knew that whenever I drank milk, and bink back milk was the staple of the food pyramid.

Damaris Grossmann: 15:47

Right? Totally. That was like on the bottom, isn't it in the bottom back. I was Normal like and then when you go to the lunchroom back, it was part of your it's part of part of your thing. Yeah, totally.

Denise Olsen: 15:59

It's it's like so crazy to think of that, that that. Yeah. The unhealthiness that the food pyramid represents is is scary, but as a whole conversation in itself, the sad American diet. Yes, yes. But I didn't know that whenever I drank a lot of milk and I loved cold milk. But when I when my asthma was bothering me and I drank milk, I knew that I would be Flemmi and congested. So I didn't, you know, I knew enough to be like, Alright, I'm not doing that. Um, yeah, but you didn't have the tools to support my own intuitiveness? My Yeah. Yeah.

Damaris Grossmann: 16:38

It's, I mean, you gotta realize, I think what it is, is that information has been out there or the research, not even the research, it's 5000 years, just yoga in itself, right. And then you're talking the herbal meds and Roma therapy and homeopathy like, all these other areas of integrative health, they've been around, but maybe some of them were research. Some of them weren't. But it's like they help. We didn't always get that in our, like, normal dialogue of health between the doctors and not just doctors. It's not their fault. I'm talking about anyone throughout history, you know, through our time, we probably just weren't exposed to it. Now. I think it's becoming a little bit more, shall we say, awareness more open? And I'm one of those people that I'm like, yeah, let's get into it. Let's talk about more, more things like, yeah, and you had an awareness, you probably just didn't, you were just like, Okay, I'm just not going to milk for today. And I'll let

Denise Olsen: 17:31

that go. Right, right. And I also knew that coffee would help me to breathe more. And I wasn't a coffee drinker. But I knew that if I had a cup of coffee when I was in the middle of an asthma attack that would allow me to open up a little bit right. Now I know. And I mean, I was a kid when I

Damaris Grossmann: 17:51

don't know, inner like, Well, why does that work? Right?

Denise Olsen: 17:54

I don't know why it works. I just know it works, right. And all another thing that I did intuitively was, I'm in the middle of an asthma attack, you know, when you start to get short, we didn't have rescue inhalers back then. So you start to get short of breath. And it's almost like you can go into, of course, you know, when you're a kid and you can't get your breath, you start to panic a little bit. But I knew that if I controlled my breathing, instead of being like, if I did a slow controlled breath, that I could relax myself enough to maybe go to sleep or not get into that state of where I really felt like I was gasping.

Damaris Grossmann: 18:34

Right, right. So

Denise Olsen: 18:36

you know, it.

Damaris Grossmann: 18:37

That's amazing, though, and then think about it now how you use the breath work in with your practice and with your, your clients and your, you know, patients and probably loads of things.

Denise Olsen: 18:48

Yeah, I look back and I'm like, I've been doing this work. I've been on this journey, since I was put here put on this planet. Definitely the loss and the grief pain, that that trauma, trauma, it sort of puts you like on the fast track, right through all of that, because you're, you're just looking for something to soothe yourself. And I think, you know, that's what happened when I then as I continued to

Damaris Grossmann: 19:19

crack, the most amazing thing about you, though, is that, like you still were able to get through the grief part, like and people say that about me too. Like, it's just like, you have a choice to either go in a negative path or a positive path. And it's like, you were like, No freaking way I'm gonna get through some way for your children for whoever, whatever your your motivation was, right? All that. And I think that not everyone is able to see that. And I'm hoping that if someone's listening or watching is able to get just a little inkling of not, you know, your story and just also kind of just not giving up, you know, going on a positive light, you know, seeing a little bit of light in that dark part.

Denise Olsen: 19:59

Yeah, I believe I'm divinely guided. I believe we all are, but sometimes we just and, you know, however you want to see

Damaris Grossmann: 20:09

you're a beautiful woman, so I know that you're divinely.

Denise Olsen: 20:13

I feel the same way about you. I mean, other people might not call it divinely guided. There's other it always comes down to semantics, right? But, um, whether you want to call them signs or whatever. There There have been so many times in my life that I have felt hopeless, and in those darkest times, I know I feel like everyone has to do this. Like you're literally crying out for anything like give me anything that will help me and when we pay attention, those things are usually shown to us. But it takes so much courage to follow through on it. So it's, you know, it's like you don't want to move, but you just have to a little bit, right? A little step,

Damaris Grossmann: 21:02

a little moment,

Denise Olsen: 21:03

little step baby steps, that was one of my mantras like baby steps. And a lot of times it is like two steps forward three steps back.

Damaris Grossmann: 21:12

Is there someone in your life that has inspired you? Or do you have an inspiring book that you can know?

Denise Olsen: 21:20

Honestly, my, the person that has inspired me, since I'm little is my grandmother, and she was like, This Irish, German. And she died when I was 11. And she was so loving, but she was so devoted to, um, to God, not in I mean, she was very religious, but she was also spiritual. Like, she used to tell me all the time you don't, Denise, you don't have to know this was a woman who went to church every single day. Like that was her thing when she was dying of cancer, the priest would come to her house, so she could receive Communion every day. But she wasn't fanatical. Like, she felt like, to me, she don't have to go to confession. Or if you want to, if you feel like you did something that that was wrong, or, you know, you can just talk to God yourself. You don't have to be encouraged to talk to, to God or, you know, so she made everything really easy, you know, and she she said, it's all about how you treat other people. Um, and that's what she that's what she was all about. She would give anything. She dedicated her life to service, she was actually Alright, she was a whack women in the arm in the Army Corps of something.

Damaris Grossmann: 22:56

Right? Oh, wow. That's amazing,

Denise Olsen: 22:59

right? Like, she just dedicated her whole life to service. And that was how I guess

Damaris Grossmann: 23:07

you kind of like were in tune

Denise Olsen: 23:09

was that you don't have to sit down and teach people step by step, how to do things. Because a lot of times the way that you do something compared to the way that I do something might be quite different. We might take different paths. Right? Yeah, yeah. It's the way that you live your life. If you are kind and use if you've if you are healthy and happy and people see you living life in a way that is joyful, even after you've been through such trauma that number one gives people hope. Like, if, if she can get there, I can get there. The other thing is that I had How did what makes you so happy? How can you still smile or what? You know, it makes people curious. And that's, that's where it all that's where every people do

Damaris Grossmann: 24:01

they always ask, right? Well, how are you smiling? Well, it's like, well, I know how to be with my sadness everyday isn't perfect. I mean, it's a work in progress. Right. And I think it's letting people understand that it's okay to not be okay. But be aware of that. Right. And, and then also be okay to smile. Like, it's good to see the positives on because when you you know, you get you're trying to get over those humps, right. You're, you're trying to imagine you're able to sit with you know, the good and the bad. Yeah, Bennett, you've been in it, you know,

Denise Olsen: 24:30

that's, that's I mean, yeah. So I think my grandmother like I said, just the way she lived her life was and she wasn't she was so human at the same time. I can't stand the way our authentic

Damaris Grossmann: 24:46

Yes, she was authentic,

Denise Olsen: 24:48

but but flawed. That's the right like, especially in our community, this the yoga community, integrative community, people tend to have this attitude of perfection or like putting yoga teachers up on pedestals like they're not human that they've reached some kinds of

Damaris Grossmann: 25:11

enlightenment, the status

Denise Olsen: 25:13

Right, right, right. It's so not true. They're just as human as you are. And I love that about her, Irene them. Like, every Saturday night, she would drink Pabst Blue Ribbon, and it was the she had this beer that she drank all the time. It was just it was so funny smoking thing

Damaris Grossmann: 25:33

that was hurt every day.

Denise Olsen: 25:35

Right? Like That was her thing. And it was

Damaris Grossmann: 25:38

like I said that was hard. I mean, but like there, that's part of her who she was right and that was her authentic self like, no shame, right? No shampoo, perfect and perfect. Just

Denise Olsen: 25:50

like this is me. That made her even more. You know, Weller? Yeah, yeah.

Damaris Grossmann: 25:57

I tried to, like talk to someone about that. They asked me and I wanted them actually on the podcast. And she was like, Well, I don't have everything together. I'm just like, things are not perfect. And I don't feel like this way. And I'm just like, it's okay. I don't think that that's not what we're going for. So yeah, it's that thinking of it is this way, or it's this, this this pedestal think? And you're like, No, no, that's not what we're trying to figure out. How do you get through the real stuff on a daily basis? And what are these little steps or baby steps? Like, do you put it to get through the stuff like to get through it to become more optimal? I call it optimal wellness. But wellness is an encompassing of many aspects. And it doesn't have to if it's perfect, you're obviously not in the right direction. Right. And I think, I think isn't that the goal, I think that that is becoming something

Denise Olsen: 26:51

more accepted. Right now, we went through that period of really focusing on being perfect. And I know personally, it held me back. Because like, that person was saying to you, there was so many things that I was qualified to do, but was afraid because I'm like, Oh, my gosh, maybe I don't have enough experience. So this person is better at it than I am. And I'm not good enough. I'm not ready. I growing up, I always had to have A's in school and you know, but it's, it really, it limits, it's, it limits how far you're gonna get. Because if you're always waiting to be perfect, to start things, you'll never get started, you'll never get started. Um, but I see now a shift away from that idea of perfectionism. I see people putting a lot of energy or wanting to be around authenticity, and not having to live up to this insane standard.

Damaris Grossmann: 28:02

As long as the authenticity is really authentic, I'm all for it. Anything that I mean? Like you said, Your grandmother is gonna have her a little, you know, be who she is gonna be. I, I want people to be who they are like, yeah, curse, the curse. You drink your drink, you smoke, you smoke, fine. I'm talking about wellness and another and many aspects. And if that's part of who you are, that is part of who you are. Maybe you may not get some parts in there, you know, and it may not be exactly but that's it. That's who you are. Right. And I think it's identifying those aspects. But I think you know, you're right, the authentic self is more necessary. I don't know, if everybody's willing, you still have to look through those.

Denise Olsen: 28:44

I know. But you find me. Well, you know,

Damaris Grossmann: 28:46

do you totally do like, right? Oh,

Denise Olsen: 28:49

yeah. When you become clear on who you are. So that's my real mantra in life.

Damaris Grossmann: 28:55

Oh, I want to hear it. So this is you're gonna tell us

Denise Olsen: 28:58

this. My real mantra is Know thyself. because well, that has a story behind it that has to do with Jeff. I was like,

Damaris Grossmann: 29:07

it was the whole

Denise Olsen: 29:08

I opened up mail it was like right after September 11. And when because he was a firefighter, we didn't know where he was or what was happening for a good four weeks, there was always that hope that maybe they were in a void or something. So I had all these firemen in my house. And I didn't do like I was walking around in circles. That was all I could even do. And my mail came in. And for some reason, this is a piece of junk mail. I decided to open it and when they opened it across the top it said Know thyself, and there was the whole story behind that the temple. What is my might have a temple at Delphi, right? That's where that's where that's inscribed. And, and so it's struck me for some reason, a couple of days later, I would do this thing where I would scramble around looking for reminders of Jeff and I found this book where he used to write it was like a calendar and he would put his little to do lists in there. But he was a doodler. And he would always draw in the sidelines and write all these quotes and I opened it up and literally written and trace to the point of almost tearing through the paper. It said Know thyself, right. So I started out with, I'm just holding on to that. And then there were issues in laws and decision making and burial, putting all of this stuff and all that kept going through my mind is Denise knowing know yourself, like know yourself, trust yourself. And then as I went along this journey of rediscovering who I was remembering who I really was before all of it, you know, in way, number 11.

Damaris Grossmann: 31:13

Um,

Denise Olsen: 31:15

it becomes a matter of being so brave, to really get to know who you are what, what, what has happened to you in your lifetime, that, you know, has brought you to where you to become the person that you currently are. What are all the relationships, the events, knowing the shadow side of yourself? What are the things about yourself that you try to hide from everybody? Because

Damaris Grossmann: 31:45

those that's making me cry, thinking about listening? You just like I'm getting emotional for it.

Denise Olsen: 31:51

But it's so true, right? Like, yeah, knowing yourself, that is where owning owning every single part of who you are the good, the bad and the ugly, because if you don't do that, no one else can do that. And you can offer that to anyone. And it is the hardest thing in life. Most people would rather go through life wearing a mask, and trying to be somebody they're not hiding the things that they're ashamed of. When the reality is when we speak of those things, when we shine light on those things. We're not the only person that it's happened to we're not the only person feels that way. We're not the only person that reacts that way. For good.

Damaris Grossmann: 32:35

Yeah, better or for worse, right? You're, you're putting a light on a conversation that someone may need some help to. along the way.

Denise Olsen: 32:43

Yeah. And it becomes that give and take of I say this out loud, and it heals me, but at the same time, it's helping you and then you that's what we're here for. That's this is it this is that's the whole entire journey for all of us.

Damaris Grossmann: 33:02

in that in that in yourself talking about the energetic fields, you're bringing out that you know, like other say, we're all energy but you're you are an energy healer, you know that I know you that's part of who you are, but your story and all of the parts of it. Good, bad and ugly as you're bringing up has made you to where you are and where you're going. And all of the aspects of your life. Right. And Mama, Denise, yourself the healer, and it's beautiful. I mean, I I'm just so grateful that you've been on today. I mean, I know we can dive into this on another you know, episode and and I'd love for you on again. And I would love we're just such a beautiful person. And I am so glad some people get to like, you know, get a little bit of your insight. Do you have one little extra man, I love that Know thyself. And just one extra tidbit that you'd like to share before we go. Hmm.

Denise Olsen: 34:04

If I had to say one thing to people that would make a difference.

Damaris Grossmann: 34:16

I like Know thyself, though. That one's pretty bad, but

Denise Olsen: 34:20

I really feel that people Hmm. Be an observer of yourself, try to see yourself as if you're looking at a child or your best friend. Because we're so hard on ourselves, the way that we speak to ourselves, we would never speak to other people. If we did, we would be really lonely, right? Because some of those internal conversations are very unkind. And we always see, we see ourselves through the most critical critical glasses. But if you can look at yourself as an outside observer, and give yourself some grace and compassion. I think that that's when you're able to step out of your comfort zone and really expands your awareness to see past all the all the bullshit of what you you know, we spent a lot of time beating ourselves down or being fearful of not being enough. And meanwhile, other people look at us and they're like, like, when I look at you, I think oh my god, you know, she's in the time that I've known you. You've done so many amazing things, you know, but team and your, your DMT and your family and so many things. And then I'm sure there are times where you feel not enough for

Damaris Grossmann: 35:46

Oh, of course, just exhausted or just like what am I doing or Has it? Is this resonating? Right? Or am I yeah, it's a conversation and the inner dialogue is never ending. And I think that's part of people understanding. This, you know, my passion of that helps like, circle of whole health, because people really have to really dig in deep to get healthier, and in a whole encompassing way. And, and I think that's why when I talk to different people, like yourself and others, it's, it's like, yeah, there's something more that needs to be discussed than just a pill. You know? Oh, my God, I'm so glad to see you. Um, I want to, you know, obviously talk with you more, I'm so glad you came on the show, and given such wonderful insight to the listeners and those watching, so I just want to end up you know, and saying, Thank you again, Denise, for coming on. And bringing a mindful way each one of us each and every day. And thank you, listeners for joining in on this mindful integrative podcast. I look forward to you guys coming on and listening. And do you have a way that people can contact you, Denise?

Denise Olsen: 37:03

Um, you can reach me on Instagram, if you want it?

Damaris Grossmann: 37:09

Sure. I'll have the I'll have the links and everything in the show notes.

Denise Olsen: 37:12

But the easiest way, honestly, is to email me I'm trying to get away from the social media part of it. So I think I shared my email address. Yeah, I'll put it on the notes for you. And you can always you know, my phone is always on

Damaris Grossmann: 37:27

soul and its soul in strong flow. Right. Strong and soulful, strong and soulful, drawn and soulful at gmail. Right.

Denise Olsen: 37:34

Strong and soulful. nj@gmail.com

Damaris Grossmann: 37:37

perfect. I'll put it in the notes. Oh my god. I'm so glad to talk with you and you're such a wonderful soul. I love you. Wow. Okay,