Mindful Chat Jim Marshall Septemics and several consciousness-expanding systems

Mr. Marshall is a polymathic intellectual who has devoted over 50,000 hours to the study and practice of multiple dimensions of human potential and development. He received a classical education as an honor student at a Jesuit Military Prep School, was accepted into engineering school while still a junior in prep school, and attended college on an academic scholarship. He graduated college with a Bachelor of Science cum laude. While still an undergraduate, he began the study of “alternative” Arts and Sciences which today would be described as Transformational and Holistic. Eventually, he became a professional practitioner and, after 28 years of formal education, had a long career as a Human Development Engineer. Jim has integrated the best aspects of the most advanced techniques on the planet, and expanded their limits by his own Research & Discovery. He has successfully treated and/or trained hundreds of clients over a 40 year career, and is the inventor of Septemics and several consciousness-expanding systems. His areas of expertise include psychology, philosophy, theology, parapsychology, science, engineering, mathematics, law, literature, history, music, organization, metaphysics, military science, political science, physical culture and education.

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Damaris Grossmann: 0:53

Hi, how are you? This is Tim Harris, Maria Grossman. And this is the mindfully integrative show. And today we have an amazing mindful chat with Jim Mora Marshall, He is an author. I'm gonna say human engineer, specialists, human developer engineer, he has 50,000 hours plus in his field, and his knowledge and wealth of knowledge that he can share with us is awesome. So I cannot wait for you guys to listen in and learn more from him. So thank you so much, Mr. Marshall, for being on. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. So as I kind of start off the show with a little fun fact that someone may not know about you.

Jim Marshal: 1:39

Well, the main thing that people don't know about me is that I am this the discoverer of hitherto unknown natural phenomena, which greatly aid in the understanding of people from which I constructed a revolutionary practical philosophy called September 6, which was published in the book September it's hierarchies of human phenomenon.

Damaris Grossmann: 2:02

You say it so. So like, no big deal. You've done, I want you to talk more about that and how much you have accomplished, because people don't know what that is. And I'd love for you to discuss more of what that is.

Jim Marshal: 2:21

Well, first, that was to discover who then I was the inventor, and then I was the writer.

Damaris Grossmann: 2:26

So explain that to me.

Jim Marshal: 2:28

Well, first, I had to discover the phenomena of September 6, which I did largely as a result of my career as human development engineer. Because I started to observe phenomena in the sessions have to realize I worked with hundreds of people over many 1000s of hours over many decades, okay, all kinds of people. And I started to observe that my clients would improve in ways that were predictable to me, if I never told this to anyone, but I made notes. And as the years went by, I started to develop these skills across varying axes. And this, of course, helped me because what would happen is, I would know the result the client was going to get before he got it, which only made me better what I was doing. I knew who we were going, I didn't tell him. I didn't tell my clients anything. I used Socratic dialogue, which basically means asking the right question, to lead the person to an epiphany himself. And that is how my human development engineering worked. So I developed these skills. And by about 95, I had about 32 skills, random one between three and seven. And then there was a big breakthrough, which I can tell you about laters, I'm sure.

Damaris Grossmann: 3:55

And do you have are these like scales now validated, and people use them throughout, like, research along the way to know,

Jim Marshal: 4:03

well, oh, the book, I wrote this book to help people. And 100%, it does mean, every person who's ever read this book has had a very positive response to it. The most common comment I get from people is they say they're blown away by it. Now, I don't normally speak that way. But that's what they tell me. So it's really when I looked, and went through a lot of trouble to make this accessible to the general public. Which is something I was able to do because I've been involved in education one way or another, somebody ages three continuously. So I learned an awful lot about what is education is, how to help people to learn things, how to teach things to people. This is something that very few people actually know. For example, you might have a guy who has a PhD in mathematics, who knows little or nothing about how to communicate that to people who don't know it. Or take the area of music, you know, like, for example, Jimmy Page, to me pages, probably a genius. If you look at the whole body of work of what he did. I have no reason to believe he has any ability as a music teacher probably doesn't. So there's a big difference between knowing the subject and knowing how to express it in a way at a non usable understand. And that's what I did with this book. People get it. I constructed it in a way. When you look at it, you get it.

Damaris Grossmann: 5:43

You've like composed you kind of communicated and brought it to more of a simple language for the individuals that it may it's very calm. complex, but you've brought it down to a language that most of us can understand what's

Jim Marshal: 5:55

going on? Yes, yes.

Damaris Grossmann: 5:59

Complex, it's not something that is just the light.

Jim Marshal: 6:03

Well, I wouldn't you I, in the book itself, it doesn't seem complex. If we just read the books start on page one and go through, because I put in all the gradients so that it would not seem complex. Every good teacher, facilitator, therapist counselor in the world, understand gradients, that you must do it in a way that brings the student to law. And that's one of the main reasons that the education or I should say the school system is a failure. Because you can't do that in a class, you got 30 kids there. Now, I have never taught, I shouldn't say never haven't taught much in a class context. I did a little, but I worked tremendously on one on one. Since I was a teenager, teaching people things one on one, I was cleaning up the messes made by the education system. So it's like detective work, I would figure out, what is it that this person doesn't know? You see, because the student never knows what he doesn't know. Sometimes he thinks he knows. But he's always not. Because if he knew what he didn't know, he would not get he would look at the pages Oh, okay, I see it now. And so it's, and a lot of that helped me in writing this book that I sort of reverse engineered it into a way that would communicate to anybody who could read English reasonably well and wants to improve themselves. Now there, of course, I've calculated that 57% Human Race wants to improve himself or his life. So 43% are really not interested in that. They're interested in getting money and fame and limousines, airplanes he got us now. Seems like, yeah, that has nothing to do with self improvement. Nope.

Damaris Grossmann: 8:05

But you know, there's those out there. Now, those listening, hopefully, you're not part of that group. Or if they were right, yeah, they're just passing through this podcast? Because it probably isn't that interesting to them. That's right.

Jim Marshal: 8:21

They won't, they will not be interested in this book. This book is for the 57% of people who want to improve themselves or their lives, I can absolutely guarantee. If you study this book, notice I say, study, not read, study this book and acquire it, it will dramatically improve your life. I think that's

Damaris Grossmann: 8:43

really profound for you to say that, you know, and I have not gotten a chance to read it yet. And when I do, I will have you on again, because I'll probably have questions.

Jim Marshal: 8:53

I have realized, yeah, I'm sorry. The first version of this book was written in late 1995. Okay, really, I've worked on this book for 25 years. Wow. That's, that's so because I had to first discover the phenomenon that I had that was mostly done.

Damaris Grossmann: 9:13

And that's your PhD? I have a PhD, don't you? I feel like you do? I don't know. Well, I mean, that's,

Jim Marshal: 9:19

that's another whole story we could talk.

Damaris Grossmann: 9:22

I mean, you're pretty much you know, PhD in my book. And

Jim Marshal: 9:26

well, anyway, the point is that first I had to discover the phenomena, it was mostly done by 90 slides. And then I did discover a few other scales as I work with it. So now there are 35 skills in the book. Then I had to engineer it into a practical philosophic system that worked all the time. Because I'm an engineer, engineers are interested in facts and results. That's it. We're not interested in opinions and beliefs, you're fine. Have a nice day, you know, we're not interested in that very large. So I had to engineer it into something that worked for the general public. That took a couple of decades. And while that was going on, I had to express it in a way that would communicate to the average person and if you read a book, you'll see I've done that. For example, there's a scale of sexuality. Level two on the scale of sexuality, a very high level is what I call Take it or leave it. Now, that is not a very graceful or eloquent way of expressing this level, but it makes perfect sense in the context, there are people who are such a high level in the area of sexuality they take you take it or leave it. You know, they have no compulsion connected with it, they can have it or not at that level to take You're leaving? So that's what I called Take it or leave it. No, a lot of thought went into that. You see, I spent a lot of time thinking, what should I call this? And I said, Well, everybody knows what take your leave it means. So that's what I'm going to call it. And you have to realize your 30 foot skills, each of which has seven levels, it's 245 different levels, each of which had to be researched, verified, and then expressed in a way that would connect to the average person. You're almost succeeded, because I've had 26 years of feedback on this.

Damaris Grossmann: 11:26

Oh, awesome. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Because then you got to read it, then you did like a revision?

Jim Marshal: 11:31

Yeah, many rewrites many expansions. For example, there is a glossary in front of every chapter. There is even a glossary in front of the introduction. So I am mitigating the the ubiquitous semantic difficulty that almost everybody has in reading a new subject by giving them specific definitions, not long winded definitions. So even the glossaries are carefully stated. For example, there's a scale of communication. Well, if you look up the word communication, as what 35 definitions, so somebody could look at the scale of communication. So what definition is he using? I tell you what definition I'm using, I give a specific definition. That is not wrong. Okay? All of the definitions want 99% of the definitions are like one or two lines, I get right to the point, this is what it means. So then you say, Okay, let's see what this says. And each level of every scale, I did that with right explicated it in a way where there are synonyms, and I define the term I give synonyms for it. And so it's very user friendly.

Damaris Grossmann: 12:46

Is there a chapter or a scale, the end your that you would like to discuss? That has was one of those that you were, you had to go back to or that you really enjoyed working on? Well,

Jim Marshal: 13:01

let me tell you about one scalar, particularly because it actually led me to discover September 6, you have to realize I was a successful human development engineer working with my clients. All I was interested in was helping my clients and I succeeded at that on a daily basis. And all his data sort of presented itself to the scales, I would see my clients going up scales. So I would see this guy's is level three, he's gonna go to level four, anyone

Damaris Grossmann: 13:32

would use XP, explain to those listening that don't know what a human developer engineer is, because I,

Jim Marshal: 13:42

okay, human development engineer. We put it this way. When I was a kid, I thought it was going to be working with the things that most engineers work such as electrons, chemicals, air foils, motors, gears, things like this. But by the time I graduated, with my bachelor's degree, I realized I wanted to engineer the human psyche, because that's the big unknown. That's what almost nobody understands. That's what almost nobody can fix. I learned how to fix it. And as I was fixing it, the data just fell out in front of me about the skills. Then we talked about once again, particular because I want to answer your question. Okay, so I had one skill that I know absolutely was correct, that I had been working with for decades, that had six levels. Now, in 1995, I realized that this scale had a seventh level. And when I inserted that seventh level into the sixth level scale, it manifested mathematically. Coming from a hard science background with 26 semesters of math, I knew right away I was dealing with natural law, because anything that has mathematics embedded in it, like for example, the Pythagorean Theorem, or the three laws of motion is natural law. So, I was taken aback by that said, Wow, this is big. So then I asked myself being have an inquisitive nature, I wonder how many of these other scales that I have a varying lengths are actual self actually seven level skills, which had not been developed all the way because I wasn't trying to develop anything. I was just helping my clients. So then I looked at the remaining 32 skills or whatever it was that I had at the time. And I was able to find very quickly the remaining levels and to the to where they all had seven levels. And as each one went to seven levels is manifested mathematically There were there were no as I realized that these were natural phenomena that were axiomatically true. The same way that the factory and theorem as axiomatically true. Okay? If you disagree with the Pythagorean Theorem, you're wrong. Okay? It was true before Earth existed, and it will still be true after or longer exists, okay? It's inherently true. And because of that, it's not hard to teach it. Anybody who takes basic geometry learns with accuracy and fairness. Yeah, I see this, this, this makes sense. And you can go out in your yard and use it to measure your garden. And that works perfectly. That's how these skills are. Because their natural law, people get it. They, when they learn it, they say, Oh, I see. And so the light bulb goes on both of the person's head very quickly. So I realized when I had these 32, seven level skills, that I had discovered a new subject. And then I said, Wait a minute, this could help people. So then my mission became, I'm going to put this into a book, and express it in a way so the general public can benefit from it. So that's my mission, to help the people who want to help themselves and others. That's what I'm about. That is my reward. When I get a client or an associate, or somebody read this book, they see Yeah, this really helped me now I am this, this this, that's my reward. So that tells you about that one particular skill that was that scale, came to be known eventually, as the scale of basic purposes, it's on my website, you could not get it. Now, I can tell you the basic purpose of every president of the United States going back as far as Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and even going earlier on the presidents who I studied, like Lincoln, Washington and Jefferson, you see, this material is not hard to use. Once you know what it is, it's just like driving, you know, when you're driving is a double line, there's a stop sign, no left turn, you know, you signs rules, that helps, helps the drive, and the engineers will calculate how fast you can go around this curve. And they put up a sign that tells you that, you know, so. So that's what this book is like it gives you each one of these 35 skills is a roadmap for some area of life. Now, if you'd like I can read you the names of the skills, it takes about a minute. And you'll see that I pretty much covered everything.

Damaris Grossmann: 18:37

I think it's fascinating. I mean, I haven't dived into your book, to get a full picture. But I am when I was reading about you have this like, Oh, this is he's got to be odd. We needed to chat. This is so great. So I'm looking to one of course, I want the readers to know how to access you know, and get a get a hold of you and be able to reach you. Yeah, if you want to discuss it, that would be great. If not, I'm gonna put it in the show notes. It's up to you.

Jim Marshal: 19:05

Oh, are you asking me now to give you the Nate the 35 scales. Yeah. Because this tells you what gets covered in your see how by the time I finished this, each one of these skills is unique. And any one of these skills by itself can dramatically change your life. I've seen it I've used it for people who can an individual suppose there are 24 individual skills, and 11 group scouts. So the individual scales are the scale of basic purposes, the scale of personal instruments, the scale of choice, the scale of permeation, this California, the scalar identity, a scalar, the valuation, the scale, the motivation, the scale of control, the scale of stopping, the scale of scholarship, the scale of literacy, the scale of human ability, the scale of memory, the scale of spiritual identity, the scale of mental deletion, the scale of aberration, the scale of physical fitness, the scale of justification, the scale of belief, the scale of equanimity, the scale of attack, the scale of conflict and the scale of reaction, and the group scales, our scale of relationships, the scale of life spheres, the scale of government, the scale of civilization, the scale of survival, the scale of management, the scale of exchange, the skill of communication, the scale of allegiance, and the scale of sexuality and the scale of politics.

Damaris Grossmann: 20:33

That is a lot.

Jim Marshal: 20:37

How long does this book ah, it's like no, no, no, it's short. And that's, it's about this little over 300 pages. Oh,

Damaris Grossmann: 20:50

I was gonna say that's a pretty feel like you're gonna have a series. Nevermind, that's like a one off i That's a one of 10 to me that with all of that feel like each of your scales could probably have a book. Oh, yeah, I know.

Jim Marshal: 21:05

That might happen. I so I could easily write a book on each scale. Of course, that would take a long time because there's 35 scales. But the important thing is for the people to get the book can use it to help themselves. And I can absolutely guarantee that that will happen. So, let me just told you this September, this is a philosophical science, based on the fact that many phenomena related to humans occur in a sequence of seven levels. Literally, the word September 6, means over pertaining to seven. September 6 comprises a collection of scales or sequences, each of which breaks down very soon phenomena into a hierarchy of seven steps. Now, each of these 35 scales provides a user with an infallible way of determining the salutary Nisour beneficial illness of any group individual activity. If the group individual activity moves persons or groups up these cells, it's beneficial a positive, because it moves them down, it's detrimental and negative. More importantly, just finding out what level you or another person or small group is at, is, by itself enlightening and beneficial. And finally, once once you know, the actual level of a personnel on any skill, you can improve that person or group by moving them up one level at a time.

Damaris Grossmann: 22:34

What I find really fascinating about what you're saying is so like from my thought process, and I like learning consciousness, or just basic levels, the fact that you have put it into this manner into these very tangible and as a tangible but very logical manner, to change and improve yourself or not improve yourself. I think that like, it's very enlightening in the sense of for individuals. I mean, some people may see this and may not want to change. Or you look at someone and go, Oh, they could do they could really benefit by doing XYZ to get to another level. But have you found, obviously, you're helping many people, but have you found any resistance and those that don't want to they're like, I'm not at the scale, I'm like, or they're lower than they would like to be or something like that?

Jim Marshal: 23:25

Well, I'm gonna say this. One of the one of the rules that I say in the book is never tell anyone thought his levelness Oh, get him to find it himself. Gotcha. So I'll tell

Damaris Grossmann: 23:42

him as, I wonder where my level is.

Jim Marshal: 23:45

There's the skill of, there's a scale of scholarship, okay. And using that one skill on that chapter, you can make yourself a great scholar, just by using the data in that chapter. Now, let's say a dad has a kid, right? Because having trouble in school, you know, let's say the kids 12. Okay, you can say to him here, come and read this, take a look at this glossary. Okay, you got those words, now, read this chapter about the scale of scholarship. And and look at it, and even without you saying anything else, say, I'm here at level four, or whatever, see, he'll find it. And then you can say, Okay, let's move you up to level three. And he will be able to do that.

Damaris Grossmann: 24:32

So you're letting them expand their consciousness.

Jim Marshal: 24:37

Right? That is the power of natural law. And that is why people get this. Now, of course, there are people who don't want to improve themselves. If you think Al Capone, or John Gotti, or Charles Manson are going to read this book. I'm here to tell you, you're wrong. They're not interested in so those are those are criminals, okay? There are sociopaths and psychopaths and narcissists, that they're not interested in self improvement. And all of that human phenomenon is explicated greatly in this book, to really get you to understand people what they're about across 35 axes.

Damaris Grossmann: 25:23

I can't wait to dive in more. I can't wait those to listening and watching you to learn more about you and to reach out on your book. So how can they get this book and how can they learn more about you?

Jim Marshal: 25:35

Well, I invite your listeners to go to September 6 dot com, as SCP Tmic is our website. And there you can see what readers have said about the book, what journalists have said about About what reviewers have said about the book, and you can even read sections of the book itself. Okay. And at that point, if you have any interest in improving yourself, you'll see there's a pathway forward, because this book is in hard balance, soft bound, and ebook. The book is not expensive. For$10, you can completely change your life, I can absolutely guarantee, if you go through this book, and you find your level on each one of the 35 Scouts, you will be a different person, when you get to the end of the book, I want to clarify, every human being is somewhere at some level on every one of these skills. There are no exceptions. So it's just a question of reading in now, I'm not saying you have to tell people, you know, you might read it and see you're down to level six, which is not very flattering. Let's say you have to tell anybody, but you yourself will know. And then you can move yourself to level five. You see, that's how it works. So this is this, I did all the heavy lifting here to make it easy for people to improve themselves in their lives. And those people should invest in this part because it I guarantee will help you. I've been seeing it for 26 years.

Damaris Grossmann: 27:18

And I can't wait. I'm already already downloaded it download as we just now it's just book. I very excited to you know, dive, dive more into this. And then maybe even have you on the show to you know, talk further at some point. Would you like to leave the audience with one tidbit or mindful way as I call it?

Jim Marshal: 27:39

What was the last thing you said?

Damaris Grossmann: 27:41

I usually say a tidbit or sound advice before we go for the show?

Jim Marshal: 27:47

Well, this is this is not part of September 6. But this is really important and something I learned a long time ago. Don't focus on the barriers focus on the goal. People who fail generally fail because they're focusing on the barriers saying, Oh, I'm not trittye I didn't get a college degree. I don't have a lot of those are barriers. Focus on the goal, whatever your goal is, if you've I'm not saying to ignore the barriers, I'm just saying don't focus on them. Successful people do not focus on barriers. They focus on the goal. And I'll give you an example. I saw an interview from about