Bonus Episode: Mindful Chat with Phil Lombardo Movement Natural MOVNAT Expert

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Dr. Phil Lombardo, a superior physical therapist, has extensive experience in the care of both sports injuries and general musculoskeletal injuries for patients of all ages. He is our Clinic Manager on the Monday / Wednesday / Friday team and has achieved the prestigious position of Senior Executive on our leadership team. In 2007, Phil joined the top one percent of the Doctor of Physical Therapy in the country by becoming an APTA Board Certified Specialist in Sports (SCS). Dr. Lombardo has distinguished himself as a provider of choice in Sports Medicine and is recognized by the National Federation of State High School Association as a Certified Coach specializing in Track and Field (NFHS). His expert knowledge as a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (CSCS), a Sports Performance Enhancement Specialist (PES), and a Certified Corrective Exercise Specialist (CES) guarantee his patients the highest quality of care.

Phil approaches each case individually and makes sure to know exactly what his patients want. He doesn’t just stop at working with a patient in the office, he ensures they are able to live the best life they can. Exceptionally qualified and driven means that Phil won’t rest until each patient is back to full strength.

Phil earned both his undergraduate degree and Doctoral degree in Physical Therapy from New York University. It was also there that he received the department’s Service Award for Excellence in giving to others. Phil truly enjoys every opportunity to connect to our local community, his expertise, both eclectic and focused, has been an asset to countless local athletes and orthopedic patients! Giving back is important to Phil, it is his main philosophy for his care. His unmatchable level of determination throughout the day helps him give excellent one-on-one care to each of his patients.

It brings Phil great joy as he shares MovNat, a physical education system for developing real-world capability through natural movement with his patients and now to the public. His journey led him to becoming a MovNat certified instructor, hosting the first-ever MovNat Elements Workshop in NJ and then becoming the first-ever licensed MovNat facility in NJ.

As a devoted fitness enthusiast, Phil loves to constantly learn about and train in all areas, including strength training, running, hiking, and kayaking. He grew up in Leonia and now resides in Butler with his wife and sons. Around the clinic, in addition to his passion for physical therapy, Phil is also known for his love of and expertise in

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Transcript

Damaris Grossmann: 0:51

Welcome to mindfully integrative podcast with your host, Dr. Damaris G. Mindfully integrative is a podcast discussing ways toward mindfully incorporating integrative health into our lives. This podcast will have informative resources, fun topics, interviews, and discussions relatable for today with a true mindful perspective in a mind body Holistic Life approach. Hi, how are you? This is Dr. Damaris, Maria Grossman and this is the mindfully integrative Show and today we have an amazing guest. And I love for you guys to meet him. This is a mindful chat with Phillip Lombardi. He is a physical therapist and also movement specialist. But I there's much more than he can talk to you about.

Unknown: 1:36

Max Hold on. It's Lombardo. Sardo.

Damaris Grossmann: 1:38

So sorry, apologize about that. Roland Bardo. And and we'll talk more further about that. So nice to see you. And thanks for coming on the show.

Unknown: 1:48

Yeah, absolutely. Dr. Maris, thank you so much. Thank you for having me here. And for taking up this cause of increasing mindfulness and people we know that that's no small challenge. Yeah.

Damaris Grossmann: 1:59

So just so you know, it's a little, I'm so glad you're on the show, I want you to talk about your story and kind of, I touched base with you with one of my great mentors, Dr. Rosen and, and I know that you have so much to offer in the physical therapy space, but also to clinicians and, and kind of where you kind of came and to where you're at now, if you'd like to talk about that.

Unknown: 2:21

Yeah, so my story is complete. 180 From what I where I am now. I mean, when I grew up, I was usually what happened. You know, some people asked me, Oh, you did this all the time. You know, is this what your lifestyle was? Like? Your parents always told you outdoors? And no, it actually isn't for me. So it was you know, I was a three sport varsity athlete, I ran track in college. But I couldn't even touch my toes, I could barely do a pull up. So I would gauge that my general movement practice and my general physical capacity and fitness was actually pretty poor, despite being very very high level and skilled in a number of different things. I mean, I could play as varsity basketball, varsity baseball, varsity tennis, like I said, I ran track cross country, I could join a weekend volleyball League, no problem and jump right in there with everybody. But again, the basic components in the fundamental, the macronutrients of movement, were there. And it is time and time again, I see this in my physical therapy practice as a doctor physical therapy, that these kids are coming in with just higher and higher levels of skill. But the lack of movement skill and a lack of functional capability is what's leading to injuries that and awareness of their body, right? Oh my gosh, don't

Damaris Grossmann: 3:42

you know, I mean, that just like, that's just like the beginning, like cuss, probably, but I'm just saying awareness of things. I just I talked about awareness, like just general like, awareness of many things.

Unknown: 3:52

We're gonna have a great time this conversation because that that is, that's the biggest thing that's missing from fitness from exercise from everything. Think about 30 minutes on the elliptical. Again, everything I talked about, I don't want to say that anything is negative or bad or wrong. No, absolutely. You know, going into elliptical for 30 minutes is wonderful cardiovascular activity will strengthen your legs. Absolutely. And get your spine moving your pelvis moving 100%. But again, think about like what you just said, what, how much awareness do you need? Most of the time you put a TV on or podcast or something else. And you know, again, there's no no awareness needed for that or no mindfulness. What part what part of your fitness does have mindfulness?

Damaris Grossmann: 4:35

Yeah, there's no connection at all. No mind body connection out there. Like they're just like, Okay, well, I'm doing it. You're like, Alright, great. Yeah, yes. Yeah. Thank you true.

Unknown: 4:45

So anyway, so Yeah, talk more. Yeah. I got my doctorate from New York University.

Damaris Grossmann: 4:52

Oh, I'm so sorry. But I would apologize. I said, Dr. Philip Lamar.

Unknown: 4:57

All right. That's all right. It was actually I was the second class. I was very, very lucky. When I went in. It was a bachelor's program. They converted it to a doctoral program while I was there, you know, they gave us the option of staying or going and it was no brainer for me. Absolutely. I was gonna stay. Yeah, get it done. Yeah. Yeah. Four years after I got my board certification in sports medicine, because something that was very deep and passionate to me. And then about, you know, and it was a very, very successful practice very successful time treating patients. And my mentor who has basically brought me up in my entire career, Dr. Ben Burton, he really encouraged emotional intelligence. He encouraged self development, which is something I'd never found in another PT job ever. And literally meeting him and working with him was life changing because, you know, not just teaching something But she teaching someone to open their mind to be more aware, whether it's treatment based on my emotional decisions, my life decisions, they all come together, and they all accumulate into all these different things. So, you know, again, working with him for the past 18 years has been absolutely phenomenal. And then when I found the practice of natural movement, it fit in just so perfectly, and it really sparked something within me. I've done yoga practice for about six months, I've done CrossFit for two years, there's so many different areas of fitness that I really enjoyed, but nothing has captured me the way that this practice of natural movement, and the organization that promotes it is called Move net mo ve na t, which stands stands for moving naturally. But everyone, everyone around me who was working out with and doing different things will notice the change right away. And that's what sparked again, when I was a kid, three sport varsity athlete. My parents, I remember what we camping once I absolutely hated it. I was, I was too cold, it rained, and I got wet and uncomfortable, and never wanted to do it again. Right. Fast forward. Last year, I went backpacking three times I did the Presidential traverse in New Hampshire, like I'm really just connecting to my body's capability, and what I'm able to do in this world and in nature, and it's both an emotional and physical journey. And so that stems from the physical aspect, absolutely hands down. But it stems from the process of awareness, like you said, mindfulness during my movement practice, which I never would have done, let's say, at CrossFit, or just at the gym. So yeah, that's where I'm at. Wow. So

Damaris Grossmann: 7:35

that when you transitioned into this movement, natural, I mean, you got a little bit in these different parts, was it when you're because I mean, you're a clinician, you're a physical therapist, you're talking about movement, you're talking about all these aspects of teaching individuals. What kind of transitioned you to, like, when you were learning about this movement, natural movement, then got you to say, you know, what, I really need to talk to my patients about this and incorporate it, or for yourself,

Unknown: 8:05

it was it was right away, and kind of reminds me of a joke. When I when I passed my level two certification. I remember I called my family and I was telling them and, and my son gets on the phone, and he says, of course that you're a natural. And I was like, Oh, buddy, very fun. You know, they like that's, that's, that's so true. I mean, these the principles of natural movement are that the skills are very instinctual. There, you universal, they're evolutionary. So right away, I was right away from the start, be able to implement it into my clinical practice. And patients love it, they felt a lot more connection and a lot more excitement about doing it, then the I mean, I don't know if you've ever been to physical therapy yourself, but a lot of it out there is isolated. It's like, okay,

Damaris Grossmann: 8:58

one, you're like, oh, wait, your knee hurts. Let me just work on your knee. And you're like, well, it's not just the knee, everybody, there's the hip. The other side. You're like, alright, but I'm gonna just go with this for today.

Unknown: 9:10

This, this drives me insane.

Damaris Grossmann: 9:13

I mean, it's just like me with my practice. It's like, Alright, when someone says, Just take this pill or Okay, your shoulder? I'm like, no, no, but it's not just that. I'm sorry. But so that's my, you know, I don't know how it was for you. But it looks like you know, your your passion, then incorporate it into your work. For me. It was like my own stuff had to I had to fix it. I was like, No, I have to incorporate something different. I just can't be the same.

Unknown: 9:36

Yeah, I was thinking about your, I was listening to your last podcast about cardiac rehab and about medications. And that same thing, it really hit me that actually, were I thought like, these isolated exercises that we're giving patients are like a pill or like a medication. It's

Damaris Grossmann: 9:50

like on the same the themes theme. And you're like that, that's not gonna fix the connection of the mind body connection. And, and your it just doesn't. It's not a one fix?

Unknown: 10:01

Yes. It's not wrong. Again, I'm gonna say wrong. No, no, it's

Damaris Grossmann: 10:04

not wrong. We're not here to say negative. We're here to say, incorporating and integrating.

Unknown: 10:09

There's so much more potential out there to help people accomplish the same goal. Again, I'm not saying that, Oh, they're missing something, or you need to do it this way. But I'm saying if you do it this way, you'll get much more excitement out of the patients again, that that sense of accomplishment. No one's ever gotten a sense of accomplishment from in my practice, from doing Thera band exercises. Well, I'm going to show them when I get them on the floor. They're on their hands and their knees. They're transitioning to their inverted crawl position, back to a good hand position. And like we go over that, yeah. And at first, they're looking at me like I'm crazy, and then they get it. And they feel that sense of accomplishment and as a clinician, so they're excited. They're endorphins rushing throughout their body, they're telling their body, oh, this is something good for me. This is not the negative experience that's convenient. And I know that they're infraspinatus, their Teres their lower trapezius and their lats are all firing activated. So it's a win win. There's this again, it's not just mumbo jumbo feeling good. There's a clinical aspect,

Damaris Grossmann: 11:13

right? And I and I talk to people about that, as a clinician, you know, someone's like, Oh, are you talking about the stuff that's airy fairy? Or esoteric? I'm like, Absolutely not. I'm a lot about the science. I'm not about evidence based. But then I'm also about these other aspects that need to be incorporated. And that's, I think, this passion project show and what so I love talking to individuals, like yourself major clinician, but also understands that there's more that needs to be connected. That's awesome. I, so when I can imagine like your transition, I don't know how it was for you. But I know for me, and when I transitioned into saying I wanted to change my practice and other things for individuals, to more of that personalized and different way, or not necessarily fully personalized, but somewhat, when you transitioned and saw this change in your patients, did you notice your practice even got even more, not necessarily just popular, but you were eight, like more fulfilled, like you could have less patience? Or you just felt more fulfilled in your work?

Unknown: 12:13

Yeah, I mean, the the patients wanted more, you know, whether it's, I do, I also teach a one day workshop twice a year. And so a lot of them are asking, Hey, can I do that? How can I get involved? You know, how, you know, we did this for my injury for my specific pathology. But what if I do this my whole body? Because you're right, a lot of people are specialized as cyclists or runners or something else. And this is an easy addition into what they're doing. So the practice, yeah, absolutely. The practice has always been successful. And I say that humbly. Because of, again, a lot of just the emotional connection that we get provide for people. We, I would put my organization's credentials up against any organization.

Damaris Grossmann: 13:01

Oh, awesome. Yeah. You can talk about today. The name? Where's your name of your practice? Yeah. So

Unknown: 13:05

we're the New Jersey centers of physical therapy. We have four locations in Wayne practice, Mossville, and Riverdale. And we are very, very proud of the fact that we're the largest privately owned practice in physical therapy.

Damaris Grossmann: 13:20

That's amazing. Hello,

Unknown: 13:40

there'll be a lot of physical therapy, practicing neurobiology and emotional intelligence that we use to connect with our patients and to and to gain their trust to give them a sense of understanding while we're treating them. So yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's, I mean, I could go on and on. Again, I would say it's the combination of emotional intelligence and interpersonal neurobiology, combined with advanced manual therapy skills. And then for me, adding an addition of the natural movement is just, it's beautiful.

Damaris Grossmann: 14:14

That's beautiful. That's awesome. That's really, really beautiful. I am. Do you would you like to share? Obviously, you're doing an inspiring doctor, was there anything else that inspired you to kind of go beyond go into this path more, or when you have been kind of going into your natural movement? Because I know, we'll talk further about you know, you're doing a course for clinicians, because now, like, you've done this for yourself, you've done this for your patients. Now, you kind of were saying that you're transitioning into helping commit clinicians? Was there something that kind of clicked for you to say, I have to teach this more what, what kind of, or what was something that kind of stood out for you like or inspired you?

Unknown: 14:53

Yeah, it was, it was the patient feedback, you know, is as I was doing, doing it myself, hands down lit a fire a huge fire again, if anybody who's listening to this and feeling bored with their workouts, whether and again, it could be anything I was doing, you know, trail running five K's 10 ks 25, k's and they were great. And I've enjoyed my time out there. But even the training was not fulfilling, you know, and, you know, road cyclists that run the ride hundreds of miles. They have a passion for it. But sometimes there's it feels like there's something missing. Feels like there's something missing, please reach out to me, you know, ask a question, anything you want at all, because this has given me that that that whole sense of wholeness where I could still go out and run a five carat pancake, I can still you know, do everything else that I lifting weights, I can still do everything else that I did, but it incorporates even more. And so my patients got right away to the vague sense that okay, you know, Phil is treating me not just as my injury, not just my pathology, but he's treat me as a whole human being. And you know what I'm enjoying this, like I, I feel a sense of accomplishment. I can't wait to see what he has next. I thought he was crazy when he started. But I really, really

Damaris Grossmann: 16:10

does. He really cares. He looks at the whole heart. I consider it like cold hearted medicine, Whole Health, you know, like, you're looking at the whole picture and you're seeing not just that person's injury and their disease. Like for me, it's the disease, your your the injury, right or whatever that and it's like, we I mean, I don't know if it's that we're bringing back more heart into medicine or more like mind body something, but whatever it is, I know that it's it was something that I felt like I had to do it. Obviously, you felt like you needed to incorporate it more with your your patients in your in your life. Have you found that you've done more of this even with your, your family? Or your kids? Or, or like any? I mean, I know, obviously, you're at home and stuff, but have you ever incorporated with your kids at all? I just talking about children and stuff?

Unknown: 16:55

Absolutely. You know, the, the overflow definitely comes out there. Yeah. You know, one of my favorite, you know, things to say to the kids is be careful. You know, I hate that expression. Personally, it just brings up, you know, some frustration and worry that we're that we're not allowing kids to explore things. So my eight year old will literally grab onto the handles of the refrigerator, climb up it get into the cabinet above it while he's holding on to the refrigerator door, okay, my feet are on, he's climbing up, they'll get something out of the top cabinet, they'll come back down. No problem, I'm watching him he's safe. You know, or, or he'll jump up onto a onto the counter to get something from a high shelf. And I'm watching him save, you know, where he's protected to, like, I'm there. But I'm not jumping over to him. I'm not telling him how to do it. Like he knows how to do it. So yeah, giving them

Damaris Grossmann: 17:51

you're giving me space to like, be himself. That's cool. I just, you know, I always talk about family too. It's always incorporated in my, with my little one. So, um, I What,

Unknown: 18:02

it's hard, though, you know, I mean, you know this, right? Like, yeah, every time I bring them hiking, they, when I tell them, that's what we're doing. Okay, Saturday, we're going hiking, oh, no, Dad, oh, are you kidding me, you always make us go, we never have any fun. And as soon as we're done, they say that was the best hike we ever went on. We have videos of them, throwing rocks, climbing on rocks, jumping off rocks, and you know, we could sit there all day. So you know, they really it's a challenge as a parent, one acknowledge that it's a challenge to bring it into your home. You're sitting at a coffee table instead of sitting at the dining room table. You know, everyone was against that at first. But you know, then we're more comfortable with it. And it's just a different position to sit in.

Damaris Grossmann: 18:47

Yeah. And I mean, you don't have to incorporate every moment. But you know, every every thought. And that's cool. I did, would you like to share? Obviously, I want you to talk about what your upcoming events are and your work with clinicians. But would you like to just share any additional tip or that for the audience, and I call it a mindful way, but some of them that you'd like to share that?

Unknown: 19:10

Yeah, I always like to ask people to think about their long term goals and think about their life, 20 years from now, 30 years from now and how what they're doing now is helping or not helping that. You know, the simple, I always think of this article, and I always talk to my patients about what's called the sitting rising test, which was designed by a doctor in Brazil, and was published in the European Journal of cardiovascular prevention back in 2012. And it showed that the more limbs that you needed to get up off the ground, the longer your life expectancy, they saw a correlation between those two. And so again, if you could get up with just using one leg, your longevity was a much, much higher rate. So what I would encourage people that again, just thinking about, you're getting stronger if you're getting better cardiovascular strength, but you can't get up and down off the floor. But think about what that's going to mean 20 years from now, I'll even give your listeners a challenge and yourself as well. You could try this now or when we get off, but what I want you to do is just sit cross legged on the floor, and see if you can stand up without using your hands. The cross it get up is one of the simplest fundamental kind of tests that we can use. It's not such a far reach, but I'm even amazed when I have interns that are 2020 to 25 years old in our clinic, and they can't do it. They don't have the core. They don't have the core. They were varsity athletes that were college athletes. They don't want the hip mobility

Damaris Grossmann: 20:39

hip mobility. Yeah. I remember from yoga So like I've had to do an array of different things but yours my I think I still think I'm lacking so I could could definitely use some of this movement. movement.

Unknown: 20:52

It's fun to explore that. It's fun to say, Oh, wow. Like, again, from a place of curiosity. You know, whether it's crawling, ground mobility climbing, so many yoga instructors and students that always come to my workshop, they, their favorite part is always hanging when I get them up on a bar, and they're like, oh, no, I've never done this. And then they get on the bar, they swing back and forth, all that stuff. They're amazed and they feel such a sense of again, that childhood playfulness, that excitement, all those things that come together. Yeah, that's

Damaris Grossmann: 21:23

fun. Oh, man, that's cool. Like it. So let's talk I mean, we talked earlier, you've, you know, you've incorporated this passion and your integrative health, your, with your, you have a successful business, you've, you've incorporated your movement and that natural movement, with your patients, as a clinician and have and you've now are trying to incorporate it to your you're probably your colleagues at work, are you and then also to other clinicians. How exactly are you doing that? And I know you said you're having an upcoming event, how exactly are you incorporating that? And what exactly got you into trying to go hey, I need to teach other people.

Unknown: 22:03

Yeah. Again, the I'm gonna go back to, you know, my own inspiration as as I'm doing these literally every day. Okay, admittedly, not every single day, but I'm very, very big,

Damaris Grossmann: 22:14

right? As much as you can, I mean, reality, we can't do

Unknown: 22:18

everything. But the passion that, like when I'm doing things I really am in, I mean, I can't over emphasize this enough. Like I really am enjoying the exploration and the the body awareness and you know, things along those lines that come with it, while still lifting again, I want to clarify, I'm lifting sandbags, I'm balancing on a rail, seven feet off the ground. Like there's a lot of the advanced things that I'm doing, and simple basic things with ground mobility. But they all bring me a very, very similar sense of excitement, exploration, curiosity. So I experienced that I found that in my patients that anytime I was doing it with them, I still remember a 7019 year old girl that had hip surgery. I started doing some bouncing work on a two by four carrying a kettlebell. And there was a part of me, I'll be honest, that felt like okay, this is going to be boring, or this is, you know, she's not going to be very interested. And the one day that I didn't do it, can we do that bouncing thing, I really liked that. And I really enjoyed that. So again, that's what's inspired me to keep going. And again, moving at or, you know, the organization is an international organization, they teach vacations in, I think it's 30 different countries and Europe, South America, North America, China, and Asia. And so they're all over. And I've been talking to them for about three years now about having a medical course. And they're, they're ready, and they pulled the trigger last year, and I was really, really pumped and excited that they chose me to be the director of the curriculum. And we have a board of 15. Defense. Yeah, we have 15. And again, as much as I take on that role, the 15, clinicians, doctors of physical therapy, doctors of chiropractic, and doctors of osteopathy, throughout around the world, Europe, South America, North America, are all contributing. And so it really is a an intense program. And it really has a lot of diversity. And from each of them, and each of their own backgrounds are all moving at certified trainers. But they're also coming from different backgrounds. So it's great to get that perspective. And to put put together a curriculum that's now going to be geared for the first time specifically towards clinicians. And it could be any medical professional, if you teach movement. If you educate your patients about movement, this course is for you. Primarily, we're going to have continuing education units available for athletic trainers, physical therapists and chiropractors. But certainly nurses, MD DEOs can all benefit from the scores entrepreneur.

Damaris Grossmann: 24:50

Oh, that's awesome. No, I can't wait to put that into the show notes and let people know about it. And when is the main way that people can reach out to you? I know that you have your practice, but is there a way that you their website that they can reach you directly? I mean, I'll have everything available for those listening and watching.

Unknown: 25:07

Yeah, absolutely. The website for our organization is NJ CPT, which stands for New Jersey centers of physical therapy.com. And move that mo ve na t.com has all the workshops, certifications and the medical course coming up in March. So yeah, yeah, you can reach me through either this.

Damaris Grossmann: 25:27

Alright, that's wonderful. Is there anything additional you'd like to share with the audience before we go?

Unknown: 25:33

Yeah, again, I just I just really, really want to challenge people to question themselves in question. We, as a society, I feel like we've accepted a downward spiral as we age. We and again, this is something I've talked to my patients about all the time we've accepted. I can't do that anymore. I can't do that anymore. I can't do that anymore. I go to the gym. I'm healthy. I'm fit. But I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. And interesting.

Damaris Grossmann: 25:58

They say that. Yeah. And then they're just like, it's like, oh, like, for example, I think my mom was saying, Oh, I can't like yeah, like you said, touch your toes, or I'm not able to move my legs, my knees hurt. And you're like, okay, yes, maybe it is arthritic. But what else can we do to incorporate? So you don't, it's not always a pain, you know?

Unknown: 26:17

It doesn't have to be sure the disease in order to accomplish what you're managing? Exactly. And then making it even better. Right? Right. Right, you can always accomplish those skills, there's other ways to accomplish that skill. And to put the pieces together, again, don't just cross that off, don't just don't just accept that and say, Oh, I can't, you know, lunge down to the ground, I can't kneel, I can't sit on the ground, I can't get up off the ground. I so many patients say that I'll show them something and demonstrate it. And they go, I can't do that. And literally within 656 minutes, they're they're doing it fully capable, you know, maybe we're fine tuning a couple things, still, they can be efficient. We talked about efficiency and adaptability of movements, but just the fact that they can accomplish that. So so please, please, please, unnatural move. Net offers, e courses and themselves, and so many different opportunities. And please, please, please, again, I just get so passionate about this, do not accept lack of capability, and find, even if it's not me, you know, find another clinician and find somebody who can take you on that journey. To get back to the skills that again, as human beings, as not as athletes, we need to stop idealizing athletes, and we need to start looking at ourselves as human beings, giving ourselves credit, giving ourselves acknowledgement, and giving ourselves some hope. I

Damaris Grossmann: 27:47

love that, thank you so much for your words of wisdom. And for you know, someone here is one needs to listen and to kind of be part of the, you know, part of the solution and just also not accepting the one the one way, you know, and I think it's, it's not just thinking out of the box, it's just trying to make their life better. So thanks so much, again, for coming on the mindfully integrative show. Thank you all those that have been listening on this mindful chat with Dr. Phil. And we look forward to having you guys on the next show. So all the information will be available for you guys in the show notes. So thanks again. And I hope you guys have a wonderful day and make sure that you have a mindful way each and every day. Thanks again. Thanks for listening to mindfully integrative with Dr. Damaris G. Make sure you subscribe so you don't miss an episode. If you enjoyed our show, support us by leaving a mindful review on Apple podcast or your favorite streaming site. If you would like to be a guest of our show or interview, email us at info at Damaris maria.com. If you want to learn more about the resources mentioned in the podcast, you can find those in the show notes to connect mindfully with Dr. Damaris G reacher@www.de Maris, maria.com or connect via social media links. We appreciate your time connecting here with us. May your strength and peace within bring you more balance every day. Namaste day