The Journey to Conscious Living Happens When We Let Go

Indra Rinsler joins us to share his journey as an astrologer, Enneagram expert, and spiritual guide who helps people discover their true essence beyond personality patterns.

• Indra's background includes extensive world travel that taught him "people are the same everywhere"
• Mind-body connection as the foundation of true health rather than just treating symptoms
• How personal growth shifts from ego-building in our 20s-30s to openness about our deficiencies by our 50s
• The three modalities Indra uses in readings: Enneagram of Personality, Vedic astrology, and the wheel of totality
• Understanding planetary periods and how they influence different phases of our lives
• Learning to observe our behaviors without judgment as the first step toward awareness
• The importance of letting go of what doesn't serve us rather than clinging to old patterns
• Four doorways to conscious living: observe, release, love yourself, and live in the moment
• Finding peace that lasts by being complete within the present moment
• The arrogance of thinking we understand concepts without practicing them

For a free Vedic astrology chart and Enneagram personality test, email Indra at indrarinsler@gmail.com with your birth date, time, and place.

Transcript

Meeting Indra Rinsler

Speaker 1 0:25

Hi, how are you? This is Damaris Maria Grossman, and this is the Mindfully Integrative Show. Today we have an amazing guest and I really can't wait for you guys to meet him. His name is Indra Rinsler and he has a plethora of information and knowledge to share, to be a part of, to help you connect. He is an astrologist, but I really think that's just the touch of what he does. He connects with so many people and I'm so glad that I've been able to see him and meet him through these different connections, and I really believe that I want to know more about him and I want you guys to learn more about him and applying this in a way to integrative health. I feel like he's been spending 50 years in integrative health and he's a lot to offer, so thank you so much for being on the show.

Speaker 2 1:20

Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to see what happens today.

Speaker 1 1:26

As I tell those on the podcast. You know, is there a little small fun fact that people don't know about you.

Speaker 2 1:34

Well, I'm a world traveler. I have, besides the last couple of winters where we couldn't really travel because of reasons I have, only been in the US one winter since 1998.

Speaker 1 1:50

Wow, I'm jealous, so do you go all over. Where do you go?

Speaker 2 1:56

I mostly go to Asia. I was an importer for 12 years. I imported spiritual items from, and handicrafts, singing bowls, textiles, bags, scarves, jewelry from all over the world. I went wherever I could go to find well-made, inexpensive things that I could bring into the US and I sold wholesale. I sold out of a VW van. We had 200 stores at the height and it was a lot of fun, but I got to be in. I was traveling four months in the winter and two months in the summer for a few years and mostly in Asia, but all over the world.

Speaker 1 2:40

Wow, what was? Did you have a few spots that were either just memorable or that you have to go back to were.

Speaker 2 2:48

They're just memorable or that you have to go back to. Well, I don't know that I have to go back to anything, but I mean, obviously, India is the mother country and I spent a lot of time there. I talk about Mongolia, which is a place that most people haven't gotten to. It was it's an incredible place the largest horse to human population ratio in the world, no fences, Very incredible people. Ethiopia was an amazing place. Turkey, Morocco, Guatemala. Peru is a really beautiful country. Guatemala, Peru is a really beautiful country. There's some really fabulous places.

Speaker 2 3:29

I learned that the people are the same everywhere, that we have to use this passport to get from one place to another, but the fact is that the people don't change over this imaginary line. People are the same everywhere and I got, as I traveled so much I got smaller in the sense of my ego, got smaller that you have heard of the, the look of people and the small things they just they took me to. I spent many bus rides looking out the window, just crying my eyes out at the beauty that I was feeling.

Speaker 1 4:25

There were moments where you realize that it's just the simple stuff, not the access.

Speaker 2 4:32

Absolutely yeah. Talk about good health there you go right there.

Speaker 1 4:40

Yeah, I mean I I think you have um such a history, um, you know, just as a yogi and we were just talking earlier about your 20 years in the yoga community and living Would you like to talk about that? Your spiritual community, or would you like to talk? I mean, you have such an array of interesting things that I'd love to touch about, but you know, Well, I'm happy to talk whatever you want, I'm happy to touch about.

Speaker 2 5:08

But you know well, I'm happy to talk whatever you want, I'm happy to talk about whatever you want.

World Travel and Finding Simplicity

Speaker 1 5:12

Yeah. So I mean, how about the? You know initially like, I mean, I say integrative health, but you know health really is a whole encompassing of many things and you know it's it's meeting individuals like yourself that have been able to see the simplicity of what it can be to be better overall. It's sometimes when it's just I tell someone, no, it's just calming of the mind and a little bit of water, they go no, no, they can't be it.

Speaker 1 5:41

And sometimes you're like okay but, I, think you've spent many of years understanding and detaching from a lot of this, this world per se. So if you'd like to talk a little bit on your story and whatever you like on that part for so far, Sure, I'd be happy to do that.

Speaker 2 5:58

You know, for them it may not be as simple as a good thought and a glass of water.

Speaker 2 6:03

So, they're right. Right, they may have other things in the way. So they're right. Right, they may have other things in the way. But but you, you know, I grew up near you in Manhattan. My father was a cardiologist and and so I don't know, is there still professional courtesy.

Speaker 2 6:19

I grew up with professional courtesy and even even at that time I remember. So the story was is that my mother passed a of natural causes a week after I graduated college and my father died of a heart attack. A cardiologist died of a heart attack two years later, and I remember. So I was young, but I remember that my father was already an old kind of doctor. You know the home visits and the caring for the patient and knowing the patients. I mean. Now, 50 years later, it's obviously the difference. But I remember back then, even then, that I was never really in the system Because of this professional courtesy. I would get treated for free and I would sort of come in the side door rather than the front door, and so I was never really in the healthcare industry.

Speaker 2 7:14

But when I first moved to California now my parents have passed on and I'm and I had some inheritance, so I was a little bit free and I realized fairly quickly on that what I really needed to do was to find myself, to find joy within myself, to find my true nature, and I became a though we didn't say it the same way back then. I don't know exactly what I said at the time, but when I first moved to California, I had been wearing glasses for driving, that they my eyes weren't that bad, but I'd been wearing glasses for driving for for eight or 10 years. And, uh and um, we got this idea that if we stopped wearing the glasses then our eyes would get better and I started being a vegetarian 1970. And within six months I didn't need to wear the glasses and I've never worn the glasses since and I started passing the driving test without needing the glasses and I always considered that to be the. I don't know why it changed, but it seemed to be kind of this new consciousness. When I first got to California, we learned about natural food stores and vegetarianism and new ways of healing, and so in this, as you correctly intuited that my story is that that was the integration right there, that the health has never really been a problem, and even today, when I have clients astrology clients that want to know about their health, I can't really answer them.

Speaker 2 8:59

There are medical astrologers, and some of them are very good, but it isn't anything that I'm particularly interested in. But what I am interested in and know something about is the mind-body connection. And so if you want to get your body better, you better get your mind better. And I remember sitting with an Indian astrologer one time in India, and so I quickly gave him my chart and he looked at it about two minutes. He said your grandmother's knees are bad. And I said to him well, everybody that knew my grandmother, who died more than 30 years ago, knew that she had bad knees. But I thought to myself what does that do for me?

Speaker 1 9:38

Oh, knowing your genetic history about your grandmother, I mean it's just. I mean it's just maybe a somewhat of a story, but that doesn't tell you who you are going to be per se. It may give you an idea, but it doesn't directly say that's what your story is going to be. I think people assume that is when.

Speaker 1 9:58

I give the genetics I mean, but yet I feel like it's more of. Maybe it gives me somewhat of an idea when I talk to a patient, but that doesn't mean that that that means that is their story right.

Speaker 2 10:10

Yes, and, and the point of it for me is is that that that the astrologer thought that that was the important thing to tell?

Speaker 1 10:17

That was the thing that he noticed Really.

Speaker 2 10:20

And the point that and well, the point is is that that that many astrologers not to diss on astrologers and many doctors and many therapists and many everybody's, you know entrepreneurs, many teachers, they all focus on things that aren't, that are about their story, but not really about our story, story, and so, and so the point is, I really feel by the way, I have to say, I really feel a lot of intuition from you. I think that you, really, you really have a gift that way, and and the the the point of it is is to be intuitive for yourself, is to be intuitive for yourself. It's not about being secure by knowing what other people know, but it's about finding yourself within that intuition, using that tool in order to be the pry bar for your own awakening, your own conscious growth. I'm not talking specifically to you, but I'm talking to. It just seems like something I wanted to, I feel, to say right at the moment.

Speaker 2 11:28

So so what I'm saying is is that the astrologer says that your grandmother's knees are bad, and I think, well, what does that really have to do? Maybe it has to do with my genetics, but it was really that it wasn't really using the tool for what the tool is. This is a tool for my own awakening. It was a tool, it was a way to give me it was it was. This is what he could see, this is what information he wanted to share, and so we have to in order to wake up, in order to be integrated mindfully, in order to be healthy and I don't mean just, you know, doctor health healthy.

Speaker 1 12:06

Right, we're talking a whole bunch of different things.

Speaker 2 12:08

Yeah, we. We have to find what's true for us, we have to find a common denominator, we have to find what. What serves what, what are our particular needs and what do we need to find within ourself? And so and so, at 70, in 1970, I began more than 30 years of being a vegetarian, and I never really had health problems, and I and I, I was given this gift of freedom by, by my parents passing. I was not. I mean, there were, there were things taken away, but there were.

Speaker 2 12:45

When a door closes, a door opens, and so the door that opened was the ability to be able to dedicate my life to exploring who I am, in order to be able to help people find out who they are. I want to. I promote myself. My one of my taglines, such as it is, is that I don't want to more weights, or whether it's the better job or the handsomer guy or the bigger house, they're never satisfying. It's always something else and it's, you know, it's the ability to see through those needs that create what. What brings us peace that lasts, what, what? What brings us peace that's long lasting, because all of the outward experiences um, disappear. You know, if we have the, the perfect meal, then we still get hungry.

Speaker 2 14:02

If we have intimacy, then you know whether it's an hour or a week or a year later, it's more. Yeah, so what? What is no more? And so what the no more is is the peace within us, is that is the, is the moment, is the, is the being complete within the moment, and then, and then, nothing touches you and in that space we can be free to enjoy the moment of everything, and that moment never leaves.

Speaker 1 14:35

I think that being in that present moment and that peace moments, they're so good when you really can sit with them, but I think it's learning to keep getting back to that right and that struggle, good and bad, you know, sometimes it's struggle, sometimes it's not, you know, but not everybody is even able to sit, or not sit, to understand.

Mind-Body Connection and True Health

Speaker 2 14:57

Well, everybody has to get out of the way, whatever their barriers are, and and and and and that's that's the job, you know, that's the.

Speaker 2 15:05

That's why we're here is to is to disassociate ourselves, to, to let go of whatever is holding us in the place. And what's holding you may not be, the, may be similar to what's holding me, but it may not be the same. And so we need universal advice rather than specific advice. So the advice is get free. It doesn't mean get free of wanting this or wanting that, it just says get free, and so that is whatever is holding me. That's the goal, and it's not about generalizing it's, it's about universalizing. It's about having this discrimination and discernment to be able to tell, to tell the, the, to feel the right direction, and so the right direction is clear within you, as long as you're not blocking it clear within you, as long as you're not blocking it.

Speaker 1 15:59

As I'm listening to that, I think about my own blocks right now.

Speaker 2 16:03

I'm like oh.

Speaker 1 16:03

and then I think about oh, did that open today? Did that not Wait?

Speaker 2 16:16

So the process is to let go of that thinking. So if I'm in meditation and I start thinking, it's not about finishing the thought, it's about ending it right there, because, whatever it goes, it doesn't matter. And I want to say you used this before I want to say there is no good and bad, there are no mistakes, it isn't right and wrong, it isn't that some is better and some is not better. Sure, there are shorter paths, there are more direct routes, but you can go if you, if you want to go, if you're in New Jersey and you want to go to New York, you got to go east, right, I think, yeah, you got to go east, but you can get there by going west but, you just have to go really far.

Speaker 1 17:02

Yeah, the directions are different, but there's a way to get there somehow.

Speaker 2 17:13

And it's about getting frustrated with doing the same. You know, having the same lesson over and over again the same relationship lesson the same. The same job lesson, the same landlord lesson, whether you're a landlord or a tenant, the same car lesson, whatever it is. You know it's just about. It's about you're deciding that you don't want to learn. You don't want to do that anymore.

Speaker 1 17:36

So, like you're saying in the in the parts, because you've been a yogi for quite a long time, as I say, you've been practicing um, but you have such um a diverse background in what we were talking about, your astrology, but that's just one area um the human physiology of, I don't even say it right, but but Enneagram, how do I say that?

Speaker 2 17:58

Enneagram yeah.

Speaker 1 18:01

Enneagram and the intuition. As we were stating previous, I feel like you probably meet individuals and kind of just sense how they may be or may not be. Would you like to talk a little bit about some of your tools that you use for your? I don't even know what you call them clients, individuals, people how do you?

Speaker 2 18:25

Clients. Yeah, I feel like I do a little bit of marketing, but I'm not really big into marketing, because I don't think you need to market.

Speaker 1 18:35

You're who you are.

Speaker 2 18:36

Well, I need I only market this because this is my platform, but that's it. Well, I need to market, because I need to market.

Speaker 1 18:43

Yeah.

Speaker 2 18:44

Because I need to. No, because I need to. I need to do a little shouting, I need to be secure in myself to be able to stand up and say, hey, I got a booth over here, come over for a reading if you want. You know I need to do that. I had a friend. He didn't need to do that, he was. He decided one time he wanted to be a musician and he got 400 people. And he was in India, he got 400 people to a concert. He didn't need to advertise. I need to advertise. On other hand, and and but, but the clients, they they're sent. The people that come see me are sent, and it's not for everybody what I do. And so those people that feel the intuition, they, they connect with me. So so the readings I call the readings I offer a life, readings I take. I like to take at least three hours to take people through three different modalities.

Speaker 2 19:38

The Enneagram of Personality. It's the nine personality, there are nine personality types, and it gives us our core triggers. It helps us to understand the patterning in our personality, these nine personality types. They're a wonderful psychological tool, but they're even better to help us know ourselves and to help us have better relationships, but they're even more unusual as a spiritual tool to help us to get back into the moment. Psychology doesn't really have an end game. The end game is to observe behavior, but in spirituality we have the end game of getting back into the moment and so to understand what our core triggers are and to be able to let those core triggers go and to and to, and to allow ourselves to react from them and then to release and let go. That reaction helps people to to wake up to who they really are.

Speaker 2 20:33

I say that I want to help you to to wake up to who you really are, not who you think you are. I say that I want to help you to wake up to who you really are, not who you think you are. That's the personality, but we are essence. The reading is essence to essence, and so the idea is to let go of these definitions in order to become who we really are. Where there are no definitions, there's no need for definition. We're just a soul, we're an essence, we're a being having a human experience. And and while boy, girl, man, woman, you know East Coaster, west Coaster, it can be helpful, it's not really that important In the, in the squinty-eyed view of life. When we sit in that moment of confrontation with our maker, these things aren't really very important. And so the second modality I use is Vedic astrology, the astrology of India.

Speaker 2 21:35

Again, I'm interested in the strengths and weaknesses of the planets. I'm not interested in boxing you in. I'm interested in getting you, getting helping people to know what their strengths and weaknesses are and what's and what's why you act the way you do, in order to be able to let go of those needs of acting. And we can overcome our weaknesses. And how we do that is by integrating them into our life, by being conscious of them and by working at them.

Finding Peace Within the Moment

Speaker 2 22:10

And the planets are neutral, the planets don't care, but it's, but it's our reactions to a weak planet. A weak planet being in a particular location where it is hard for it to, for us to feel its pure energy, because it's in a, I like to say a fire sign, a fire planet in a watery sign. It's just difficult. It's just difficult, it just makes it difficult. It's like if you, you know, you're in a lush tropical rainforest and it's really rainy and you have plenty of water, that's one thing. But if you're in a desert, water is not very much water. And so when you've got a watery planet in a non-watery house and sign you've got a watery planet in a non-watery house and sign it creates a challenge, and so that's. That's as far as I go.

Speaker 2 23:02

The rest of it is a lot of noise and it, it, it gives us. We give our power away, the, the astrologers. Astrology is demoralizing. It's, it's, it's. It takes our power away because we don't really understand it and we don't understand all the influences and they give us that this is good and this is bad, and this is this and this is that and this is that, and we go headache. And so I want to get rid of that headache. And the headache is here's what you're good at and here's what you're not good at. And then the third modality I use in the reading is called the wheel of totality, and it's the empty houses, that each house has an awareness, but if we don't have a planet in that house, then that's a blank spot or a place of ignorance and a place of ignorance.

Speaker 2 23:52

It's a. It's a place. It's a. There are nine houses, there are not 12 houses and nine planets, and so ignorance is built into the system. There are nine houses, there are not 12 houses and nine planets, and so ignorance is built into the system. There are things for us to learn. There are skills that we don't have, and those particular skills, we don't necessarily even work on them until we're 50. Why is that, you might ask? It's because in 20s and 30s we're mostly building up ego. We're not interested in our deficiencies. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 24:18

And you're working on your stuff. You're working on your stuff and the this and the that.

Speaker 2 24:22

Yeah, that you're trying to feel secure within yourself. You're trying to express yourself, you're trying to get noticed. You're needing to be seen, you're needing to come into your power, which isn't really your power. It isn't your power.

Speaker 1 24:45

It isn, which isn't really your power. It isn't your power.

Speaker 2 24:46

It isn't your peace and it isn't my wisdom, it's just wisdom, it's just peace, it's just power. It's not ours and it isn't until it just hits. It hits you well, at 50, you know, at 50. So so if I I like to say at 20, if I say open your heart, you're going to say my heart's open. But if you're 50, and if you're 50 and you say open your, heart you're going to say my heart's open.

Speaker 2 24:57

But if you're 50, and you say open your heart, you're going to say, well, you're the third person that told me that this week. What do I do? And so the difference is, is that in your early 40s you get tired? Is that, like in the late 30s and the early 40s, 35, I call the height of arrogance is that we know better than everybody. And so in the late 30s you begin to realize, maybe I don't know so much.

Speaker 2 25:20

And by the early 40s you're the furthest from senior discount and teen discount, I don't know youth discount, and so you're carrying the weight for everybody and you're tired, whether you've got kids or not, or family or not. You're getting tired. And in that tiredness you start opening up. And in that opening up, by the late 40s and the 50s, then you're beginning to say, well, what do I need to know? What is holding me back? You know you have your midlife crisis and you have your first divorce, or second divorce, or third divorce, and you say what is trying to happen here? And so, in that that openness happens, and in that openness is the possibility to then drop what doesn't serve us.

Speaker 1 26:08

That's pretty deep there, indra. It's a lot here for me to tap and discuss.

Speaker 1 26:24

Let's touch on the let's touch on this wheel of totality, okay, and a little bit of that, and maybe, honestly, I feel like you have so much to discuss, so I feel like I want you back on this podcast because I could talk about an hour probably on each of these areas of your expertise. Or how about recently, when you've been with a client or even a family member? What have you found that has helped them? Kind of recenter or do nothing? I guess you're saying less of less blocks.

Speaker 2 27:02

Well, I have a client later today and I don't really know her story at all, but she's about to go into a new planetary period. She's, I think, 35. And so she's about to end. In six months she's going to end a planetary period that is 19 years long, and so she's never really changed planetary period as an adult.

Speaker 1 27:31

Yeah, see, I'm totally unsure.

Speaker 2 27:34

So there's a I'm unsure what so there's a I'm 40. So the planetary periods are are periods in our life that go from 60, 6 to 20 years. There's a set amount of time that the variable is is is where we is, where we start where we start where we start.

Speaker 2 27:51

You know, it's like that old million dollar movie I don't think they still do that on channel nine in New York, or I think it was channel nine that they used to watch. They'd play the same movie in the in the fifties and sixties they play the same movie like 20 times in the week and and after you'd seen it it didn't really matter where you started watching it again if you wanted to watch it again, because you'd already knew the movie and you could watch. You know, in New York we used to walk into a movie. At the end we didn't really care, and then you'd start and you'd say, oh, I see how it all fits together. So so you start where you start, and and and.

Speaker 2 28:27

So she's, she's about to go into a new planetary period and she's been in a particular period that's been very inward and and and and. Not easy for an adolescent and for a 20s and 30s, because it's not. It's not a groupie thing, it's more individual. It's like living in a cave and and and she's about to. That's her whole life is about to totally change and the reason she wants the reading, and I don't know this yet, but usually it's because she knows this, that she can feel that this change is coming on and she may not be able to discern it as specifically as I can, because I can see it from the outside and I can. I can analyze it from you know, a thousand clients. But the thing is is that that that she knows that something is about to change and she's she might have anxiety about it. She may be really excited about it, but I can help with that transition because I can put it into words with her.

Speaker 2 29:34

Yeah, I can sense it and I can explain it to her. And I can explain, I can probably, you know. I ask at the beginning well, what sort of what's up for you? And she'll you know. Within two sentences I can say, well, yes, I see you do understand that the change is coming on, because she will tell me in her own words, which very often will be meticulous in their understanding and using, and exactly explaining what I'm trying to explain to her astrologically, without having any idea of what it is, what I'm.

Speaker 2 30:13

You know the astrological change that's coming up, but they can feel it in their body and they can feel it in their experience and they can feel the anxiety of the leaving a cycle and coming into a new one or whatever the specifics are a cycle and coming into a new one or whatever the specifics are. They can be incredibly clear about it, but but still, so what I call this, that they have the puzzle parts. I do tell things that are new to people, but most of the time, most of what I say, they know, but they don't know how to put the puzzle part together, and so I put I make it a lot of us don't know, I mean yes, yes, so I, I make the puzzle out of it and then they can clearly see, and, and if they never do anything with anything that I've told them in three plus hours, it doesn't really matter, because the seeds have germinated.

Speaker 2 31:03

But the fact is is that if you work with it and you and and you and you learn to observe when you go into your patterns, then you can more quickly let go of the, you can more quickly bring in the changes you want in your life and you can more quickly let go of the patterns that don't serve you point about the patterns and where they go and, like you said, no good, no bad, but understanding the patterns, I think that is a challenge for, I would say, almost everyone, um, myself included.

The Three Modalities of Life Readings

Speaker 1 31:35

At times, depending upon the pattern, it is um, when you were going through your own journey to dislodge or unblock these things, did these tools that you learned, the astrology, the human personality, I'm saying the Enneagram, is it Enneagram?

Speaker 2 31:59

Enneagram.

Speaker 1 32:03

Enneagram and the wheel of totality and your, your yogic teachings was there one or is it? Do you feel that each part of these tools are vastly important to changing your patterns when you were working on your transition?

Speaker 2 32:19

You know, I like to say that the thing, the reason we teach what we teach, is because that's what we need to learn.

Speaker 1 32:26

Okay.

Speaker 2 32:27

And, and so the thing is is that I'm probably the most arrogant of all the clients I have is that I need to be hit over this? You know, every day, you know I have to be hit over the head.

Speaker 1 32:37

You're saying, hey, this is what it is and this is who I am, and that's okay, and I got to keep going on it and work on it today, and that's all right, that's like. But you're aware, and you keep resetting and and that's that's.

Speaker 2 32:53

that's amazing, absolutely. But at the same time, the arrogance comes in and says, well, well, they need to do it, but I don't need to do it. Or it comes in and it says that that I got this. You know that I, because I've been teaching it, or I know about it, I read about it. You know, it's like the word karma. It's not about karma, but it's the word.

Speaker 2 33:11

Karma is that? You know, when you know, in 1970, when we heard the word karma, it was like oh, what is that? And you know, and they said, well, it's this, this and this. And then you said, oh, ok, I get it. Now, six months later, you say, oh well, that's your karma. And the person says to you, well, what's karma? And you say, oh well, it's da-da-da, don't you know? And it's like now karma is everywhere. So after 50 years, I should be really clear that my karma shouldn't hold me back anymore, using now karma in the way that it's used, because I I've been working with it for 50 years. Well, that's arrogance, because because, uh, you know, I mean, how many stories did we hear about doctors who were unhealthy? I can go through the list of it.

Speaker 1 34:08

Yeah, so my favorite is when, like you said, that you know the person. Um, I just had a client tell me the other day. They're like oh yeah, my cardiologist told me. My overweight cardiologist told me to, I need to lose weight. Your overweight cardiologist told you that, Okay, and they said I need to talk to you. Okay, let's have another conversation about this another day.

Speaker 2 34:31

Anyway, I remember I remember we used to talk about the, the, the, the, the med school guys what the refrigerator looked like.

Speaker 1 34:41

I can imagine so there's.

Speaker 2 34:42

There's a story I want to, I want to share in here.

Speaker 1 34:45

I think you might like. I would love for you to share.

Speaker 2 34:47

So there's a story about Mahatma Gandhi. So a mother came to him. I don't know that this is true, but this is a story I heard, you know centuries ago. So a mother came to him and said will you tell my kid not to eat sugar? So Mahatma Gandhi said to her will you bring your son back in a week? And she said OK. So she came back in a week and she said well, you tell my kid not to eat sugar? And he said don't eat sugar, kid. And she said why do we have to come back in a week? He said well, a week ago I was eating sugar, but now I'm not eating sugar.

Speaker 1 35:28

Oh God. But now he's not eating it, so now, he's not eating sugar.

Speaker 2 35:33

So now he can tell the kid not to eat sugar. So that's, that's integrity.

Speaker 1 35:38

That's integrity.

Speaker 2 35:43

And the overweight doctor. He may not have much integrity. He may have book knowledge but he doesn't have integrity. But that does not change for your client or your friend, that does not change the value that she may need to lose weight.

Speaker 1 35:58

Oh, no, no, it's not that she doesn't need to lose weight. I mean, and I, you know, I, she was one of my clients and yes, there is that need, but there's also the who is directing you that information, right?

Speaker 2 36:10

And and but see the who. That's a, that's a mental process and that she needs to let go of. That's what she needs to let go of, it doesn't matter who.

Speaker 1 36:19

Well then I even have to let go because I, I have to say, as a, as a person of you know, uh, education and and and advising individuals. It is kind of tough when I I mean, I, I do what I do in my, you know, my little world of life, but I just try to build up as much integrity as possible with anyone that I work with, whether I work with them or they're just in my life, you know, but that's you know. All of us are different, right?

Speaker 2 36:43

Well, I think my point is is that the the lack of integrity of the doctor. We use that as a crutch or as a blindfold to ignore the fact that he's telling me that for my own health, I need to lose weight, weight and say, hey, the truth here is beyond, beyond. Beyond is the fact that if I'm concerned about my health, if I'm concerned about my mental health, if I'm concerned about my physical health, if I'm concerned about being a good mother to my kids and staying around a long time and to my grandkids and seeing my grandkids, maybe I need to lose weight and I need to let go of the idea that maybe it's not such a good idea because the doctor didn't lose weight. That's, that's where we're. We're avoiding the point.

Speaker 1 37:34

But the real truth, the real root of that. Yes, I see what you mean. I, I, I'm, I'm going to reset some of that. I'm kind of observe when some people say and say you know, still, still them working on them right, still having to work inward, so kind of they have to reset.

Speaker 2 37:54

I had a. I had a client recently that is a therapist and she was talking about somebody in her life who was a narcissist or something like that and when she said it you could feel the anger and the clinician in that and I said to her you know, it may be that she is, but I would let go of that idea because you're boxing them in and you're boxing yourself in by holding them in that particular position.

Speaker 1 38:30

True, you come with such great points today. I'm going to be sitting with this today. Some of our conversation and re-listening. I have to have you on again because I have so much more I want to talk about, so I'd like to just leave the audience those watching and those listening with a little bit you know, extra tidbit mindful way I call it but that you would like to share or guide those.

The Four Doorways to Conscious Living

Speaker 2 38:59

So at the end of the reading, people say to me this is great, indra. Now what do I do with it? And so what came to me is something I call the four doorways to conscious living. And so the first doorway is to learn to observe, is to watch your own behavior, is to watch your own thinking, is to watch your reaction to how other people come on to you or don't come on to you. And I said one time in a podcast. I said do you brush your dog before you go to the park or after you go to the park? You know, watch that, because it tells something about you. And so so you want to learn to observe, you want to, you want to be really meticulous about watching your own behavior and your own actions and your own thinking and how it might change in a situation, how you might act and dress with your girlfriends, and how you might act with your co-workers, and how you might act with your church, and how you might act with your relatives and your intimate ones. And so it's all information and it's all there for you, and it's and it's all God shouting at us wake up, dear one you're so loved, wake up.

Speaker 2 40:16

And so the second doorway is to let go and release what doesn't serve you. And letting go is about being in the moment. It's about not having a thought. It's about it's not judging. It's there's no right or wrong. It's about being in the moment. It's about not having a thought. It's about it's not judging. There's no right or wrong. It's just letting it go. It's finding it in your body and releasing it. We don't have to know what it is in order to release it, but when we feel a tension, it's to be able to release these things that hold us back, that keep us in a place.

Speaker 2 40:43

The third doorway is to love yourself. And the fourth is to live in the moment. And so if you're living in the moment, you can't help but love yourself. There is no other way. If you're not loving yourself, then you're not truly in the moment. So how do I love myself? Well, we let go and release what doesn't serve us, and that may mean that there are things that the weight going back to this analogy the weight she may not be ready to lose her weight yet and that's okay, or don't says that may serve her now too. She may not be ready to let go of that, but when you're ready, let go and release what doesn't serve you. And how do I know what to let go and release? You just learn to observe, just watch. You make a list if you're a lister and see what what these things are, and notice the patterns. And in learning to observe, then you'll find the material to let go of. And when you've let go enough, then you will love yourself and you will be in the moment.

Speaker 1 42:02

Breathe on that one Love it, on that one Love it. I also would love those listening and I'll have in the show notes all of your information. But how can those reach you and get ahold of you if they'd like to find out?

Speaker 2 42:20

So I have a website, indrarinslercom, and there's a lot of information about me and about what I offer there. If you're interested in writing, I have indrarenzler at gmailcom. If you have questions, I'm happy to answer them. I like to give listeners a free offer. If you're interested in your Vedic astrology chart, I'll send it to you and I'll give you a little bit of a how to read it. You know the cheat sheet on what it. You know, not what it means, but what it means as far as where the planets are and stuff. So I would need so email me that information. I need three pieces of information the date of your birth, the time of your birth and the place of your birth. And if you email me that, I'll send it back to you and I'll also offer you to take the. I'll send you the free Enneagram of Personality test.

Speaker 2 43:14

Enneagram, by the way, comes from Greek. It means nine-sided figure, and so it's a combination of three geometric shapes that have nine points and we can put anything at those points, and about 60 years ago, a psychologist who is very spiritual put personalities at the points, and so there's a test that takes five or 10 minutes and for many of you, it will tell you your Enneagram point and then you can begin the study of what that means to have a personality type. We have one core personality type. It's at our deepest point and its triggers are our deepest triggers and by understanding what it is, it helps us to let that go. Also, I can be active on Facebook if people want to connect there, just it's under my name, so um.

Speaker 1 44:11

I love it. Well, no, I appreciate it. Thank you so much, indra. It's been such a pleasure having you on the show and you taking the time and your moments here. Um, you have so much to offer those that are listening and those watching. So I just wanted to say thank you so much for um being here and and um just bringing a little bit of that. Uh, as I always say, like I try to talk about peace within, but you've definitely um practice it all the time. I would say, uh, or as we, we try each day, um, I call it, um trying to find a mindful way every day, and whatever that word is. But I thank you for giving your space and time to each one of us listening.

Speaker 2 44:54

Oh well, thank you so much for having me. My pleasure, my blessings to everybody.

Speaker 1 44:59

Thanks again.